Did Trump win the election in 2020?

[kanethenotorious]

Remember this isn't a thread about whether democrats rely on immigrants and non-whites and big cities. We know that. It's legal to do that.

I kind of find it entertaining that he claims to have won, but think the big cities, non-whites and immigrants had their act together and legitimately cast more popular votes which correlated to more electoral college votes.

 

[Macrobius]

Trump lost because of the GOP state legislatures uniting to *not* question their executive branches' 'certification' of clearly fraudulent results.

But the fraud doesn't matter (this is the beauty of the Founding Fathers' design) because the *LEGISLATURES* can remedy any fraud. If the Texas legislature wished, it would be perfectly constitutional for them to IGNORE the popular vote, and choose the electors they wished (up to the vagaries of STATE law, which would of course be decided in most cases by the state supreme court, as in Florida 2000 with Younger Bush v Gore).

A State Legislature can ALWAYS say 'fuck you democracy, Texas is a *REPUBLIC* as required by the Constitution' and send a slate of WHOMEVER THEY PLEASE. (Now, look at the Provisional Union Government of Virgia to see how all this played out before)

Under the US constitution (as amended by Yankee force of arms and assorted arseholery over the years, during the long and illegitimate Occupation Government, but that's another story...) ... the state legislatures, as popular assemblies of each allegedly sovereign state and their allegedly sovereign people who are elected, supposedly, for just this purpose... has the exclusive right to CHOOSE the electors. They can take the popular voat as advice, if they wish, like the non-binding referendum it is.

Now, many such state legislatures have quite properly made LAWS and created processes to make the choice of electors kinda democratic -- so you could argue a sort of state-level procedural thing, which would end up decided by the state supremes as in Florida 2000 (Bush v Gore).

The question as posed is ambigious and so I won't answer it. The possible meanings are:

- Did Trump unfairly lose the Electoral College, so that the turnover to Biden was illegitimate for *THAT* reason ... Definititvely no. The GOP dominated state legislatures in the doubtful cases uniformed used due process to certify the electors they sent, and while there were some faithless electors, some of whom can be beheaded by their sovereign states for all I care, the point is moot, because the outcome was definitive.

In other words, to the extent you care about the the Scalawag who heads up the Stinkin' Lincoln government, aided and abetted by Scalawags and Carpetbaggers at the state level (and you probably should not give any fucks)... The Union followed the correct procedure.

- Was Trump's manifest popular victory stolen by him from several GOP state legislatures, committing what, if the Frigging Union HAD law and order, would clearly be treasonous betray of their own people? Yes, but ask me if I care. We need to win our states back, one at a time. Then we can build ditches on the Potomac.

1/6 invaded the wrong Capitol building (not that it was all that bad an idea to stick it to the Yanks at *any* time, but that's another story).

Oh, and did you see the Ukrainian pro Biden operatives in Black Ninja suits fighting for Burisma's rights? Probably not, but it's out there.

Silly Khokhols. Trix are for Yidz.

 

[Cole of Them Northwoods]

He received an overwhelming number of votes over Biden, as everybody knows, but he obviously didn't win the (s)election, no.

 

[Macrobius]

Anyway, Biden won through a combination of fraud and complicity of the GOP (uniparty) in betraying its own candidate. He won a rigged game where both sides cheated (like JFK in 1960). In this case, however, the Oligarchical collective behind Biden, Obama, and Clinton united with the one formerly run by the Bush Family to oppose a third billionaire faction that only had Trump, not 'the Government'. None of these factions have anything to do with the will of the people.

A good guess at Biden's actual popular suport is around 11%.

Georgia was the Kill Zone and the GOP the Defeat Mechanism -- by design. It was wargamed in advance and the intention of both parties to end democracy in the US.

Learn to play war, gents. It's not the game you want to play, but it's the one you ARE playing.

 

[kanethenotorious]

My view is simply that changing demographics make Democrats competitive in Presidential elections. Blacks (and Jews) seem to always vote Democrat, but other groups Hispanics included tend to become more Republican the longer they're here. Basically Trump won the White vote but the White vote isn't enough without depressing the turnout or stealing some of the non-White vote.

But I still enjoy reading other views.

 

[Macrobius]

My view is simply that changing demographics make Democrats competitive in Presidential elections. Blacks (and Jews) seems to always vote Democrat, but other groups Hispanics included tend to become more Republican the longer they're here. Basically Trump won the White vote but the White vote isn't enough without depressing the turnout or stealing some of the non-White vote.

But I still enjoy reading other views.

The case for 'there was no fraud' involves deciding that 100 Million USD programme funded by Zuckerjew legitmately went to nursing homes in targeted districts selected by Machine Learning, and legitimately got lots of similar signatures as the denizens expressed their will to the poll-worker, who filed pre-printed forms with identical signatures. (We have courts to tell us if they simply made shit up, but that's never been tried in a Union court and never will be)

Nothing illegal about 'getting out the vote' eh? Throw in a bit of coof-coof and the witness is dead.

I can't prove it didn't happen, nor can I prove the GOP didn't carefully investigated the matter and concluded democracy was best served by the certified, tabulated results after all.

Also, the unprecedented stopping of the vote count in Georgia (I forget if those electroal votes were actually decisive). Electoral corruption has a long history in America. Used to be very common in the South (back when that was allied with Democratic Machines in the big yankee cities).

However, I have my suspicions. As I say... none of which matter because of procedure.

ADDED: one should also note the role of *destroying* trust the system, if you want to foment a Revolution rather than 'win' an Election. Sounds like a termite/Bolshie sort of thing to do. Conservative Yanks getting het up about their own system in destructive ways worries me.

 

[Grug Arius]

My view is simply that changing demographics make Democrats competitive in Presidential elections. Blacks (and Jews) seem to always vote Democrat, but other groups Hispanics included tend to become more Republican the longer they're here. Basically Trump won the White vote but the White vote isn't enough without depressing the turnout or stealing some of the non-White vote.

But I still enjoy reading other views.

This is not incorrect, but IMO there was a lot of fraud afoot via the absentee ballot harvesting, so the results are skewed.

Bidet being the "most poopular evar" and winning record numbers of bogus voats is a key indicator that something was rotten... Bidet is boring as fuk and was pulling like a couple dozen poople into his drivein rallies.