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2011-2014: A Phora Off-Site Chimpout
@Cole of Them Whitetails @kanethenotorious @Dr Breck
just bringing back a few smiles here.
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These statements are drawn from two comments on the Hunter thread by the redoubtable and true-hearted lady who comments as MOB. The charge of elitism for its own sake is a serious one because it implies the relegation of the bond of blood to something worryingly like ... elitism. It cannot be over-stated that the authenticity and legitimacy of leadership in a nationalist movement rests solely on that leadership’s blood ties to the people, with all that that implies for loyalty and purpose. Having the smarts to be interested in complex analyses of White America’s political and demographic crisis is not enough.
Five hours after MOB made her second comment another redoubtable figure, Yggdrasil, turned up – for the first time ever on any MR thread as far as I am aware. CMS, he said, is not a secret organisation but a confidential one. No elitism or snobbery is implied. The confidentiality simply serves to protect those involved, or who would be asked to become involved, against persecution and loss of livelihood. Additionally, Ygg explained, confidentiality protects against (a) government agent penetration, (b) the kook tendency, and (c) the ego factor.
Well, if there is a difference between secrecy and confidentiality, I don’t know what it is. Obviously, it doesn’t protect against government snooping. Nothing does. The best policy, actually, is openness - and pseudonyms where people wish. As far as not inviting kooks and egotists to participate, fine. Just don’t invite them. No need to hide from them. The hiding makes CMS look, if not elitist, at least putatively masonic. My guess is that some of those involved also think, if only privately, that they have joined the “elite”. Why not? They have joined something, that’s clear - Ygg used the word “membership”. But membership of what, exactly? It’s confidential. And with whom? Confidential. For what purpose? Confidential.
There is something not right here. I can’t put my finger on it, but it’s there – despite the wide-eyed denials.
I am minded of the Atlanta conference in late-2008 or early 2009, I forget now. That, too, was confidential. But when non-invitees enquired as to who was there and what was discussed, the only response was a terse “nothing of substance was proposed at Atlanta”. Difficult to believe that was true. I mean, what would be the point of dozens of “elite” American nationalists convening in Atlanta to arrive at a null conclusion? That would be a huge failure. Was it a coincidence, then, when the formation of A3P was announced in January 2010? Because if not … if Atlanta wasn’t, in fact, a failure ... if a political party was discussed, even in outline with a call for further research or a decision later, when more facts are known ... if that was the case, CMS is guilty not only of “confidentiality” but of lying.
Why? Did A3P risk a still birth if a little frankness had prevailed? Are we to believe that “government agents”, “kooks” and “egotists” would have leapt upon the nascent creature and torn it limb from limb?
Well, let’s bust the game open and note now that there are, in fact, only a limited number of nascent creatures White Nationalism can generate to shift the movement from on-line activity to full spectrum political activism. These are:
a) A political party – A3P looks to be a pretty reasonable beginning.
b) A funding agency seeking long-term relationships with significant doners.
c) A national cultural organisation to reach out and connect to existing “implicitly white” cultural bodies and events.
d) A think tank generating analysis and policy solutions, tasked with informing not only the politics of the movement but the wider political and media sphere (this is not the National Policy Institute, which, sadly, resembles a standard on-line propaganda site no different to Amren).
e) An anti-defamation body – a template exists in ResistingDefamation.org.
f) A media and PR arm tasked with facilitating relations with journalists and opinion formers. Yes, difficult but necessary.
And perhaps ...
g) A networking arm drawn from all units and, possibly, significant figures without the movement, the aim of which is to measure the performance of the movement and manage it consonant with its historical objective.
That, more or less, is what the secretive folks of CMS can actually discuss. The political party excepted, they’ve only got to look at how Jewry goes about the task. The template for success is right there. They could also borrow some of that Jewish solidarity with and respect for their own people. Practise what you preach.
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Rest of the perennial thread, after this OP
2011-2014: A Phora Off-Site Chimpout
@Cole of Them Whitetails @kanethenotorious @Dr Breck
just bringing back a few smiles here.
-----
These statements are drawn from two comments on the Hunter thread by the redoubtable and true-hearted lady who comments as MOB. The charge of elitism for its own sake is a serious one because it implies the relegation of the bond of blood to something worryingly like ... elitism. It cannot be over-stated that the authenticity and legitimacy of leadership in a nationalist movement rests solely on that leadership’s blood ties to the people, with all that that implies for loyalty and purpose. Having the smarts to be interested in complex analyses of White America’s political and demographic crisis is not enough.
Five hours after MOB made her second comment another redoubtable figure, Yggdrasil, turned up – for the first time ever on any MR thread as far as I am aware. CMS, he said, is not a secret organisation but a confidential one. No elitism or snobbery is implied. The confidentiality simply serves to protect those involved, or who would be asked to become involved, against persecution and loss of livelihood. Additionally, Ygg explained, confidentiality protects against (a) government agent penetration, (b) the kook tendency, and (c) the ego factor.
Well, if there is a difference between secrecy and confidentiality, I don’t know what it is. Obviously, it doesn’t protect against government snooping. Nothing does. The best policy, actually, is openness - and pseudonyms where people wish. As far as not inviting kooks and egotists to participate, fine. Just don’t invite them. No need to hide from them. The hiding makes CMS look, if not elitist, at least putatively masonic. My guess is that some of those involved also think, if only privately, that they have joined the “elite”. Why not? They have joined something, that’s clear - Ygg used the word “membership”. But membership of what, exactly? It’s confidential. And with whom? Confidential. For what purpose? Confidential.
There is something not right here. I can’t put my finger on it, but it’s there – despite the wide-eyed denials.
I am minded of the Atlanta conference in late-2008 or early 2009, I forget now. That, too, was confidential. But when non-invitees enquired as to who was there and what was discussed, the only response was a terse “nothing of substance was proposed at Atlanta”. Difficult to believe that was true. I mean, what would be the point of dozens of “elite” American nationalists convening in Atlanta to arrive at a null conclusion? That would be a huge failure. Was it a coincidence, then, when the formation of A3P was announced in January 2010? Because if not … if Atlanta wasn’t, in fact, a failure ... if a political party was discussed, even in outline with a call for further research or a decision later, when more facts are known ... if that was the case, CMS is guilty not only of “confidentiality” but of lying.
Why? Did A3P risk a still birth if a little frankness had prevailed? Are we to believe that “government agents”, “kooks” and “egotists” would have leapt upon the nascent creature and torn it limb from limb?
Well, let’s bust the game open and note now that there are, in fact, only a limited number of nascent creatures White Nationalism can generate to shift the movement from on-line activity to full spectrum political activism. These are:
a) A political party – A3P looks to be a pretty reasonable beginning.
b) A funding agency seeking long-term relationships with significant doners.
c) A national cultural organisation to reach out and connect to existing “implicitly white” cultural bodies and events.
d) A think tank generating analysis and policy solutions, tasked with informing not only the politics of the movement but the wider political and media sphere (this is not the National Policy Institute, which, sadly, resembles a standard on-line propaganda site no different to Amren).
e) An anti-defamation body – a template exists in ResistingDefamation.org.
f) A media and PR arm tasked with facilitating relations with journalists and opinion formers. Yes, difficult but necessary.
And perhaps ...
g) A networking arm drawn from all units and, possibly, significant figures without the movement, the aim of which is to measure the performance of the movement and manage it consonant with its historical objective.
That, more or less, is what the secretive folks of CMS can actually discuss. The political party excepted, they’ve only got to look at how Jewry goes about the task. The template for success is right there. They could also borrow some of that Jewish solidarity with and respect for their own people. Practise what you preach.
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