Marxist Propaganda Watch

Lord Osmund de Ixabert

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Looks like it is promoting drug use. Communists are anti-drug. Looks like there is a "gender blurring" agenda. That's bourgeois liberalism. The gender-bender agenda as it is called in this article is anti-Marxist in origin, it is promoted everywhere in capitalists countries and indeed is almost completely restricted to capitalist societie. It is based on ideas that are inherently incompatible with Marxist theory. The representatives of Marxist theory have opposed it. Transgenderism and feminism are capitalist liberal ideologies. Feminism is about reducing the wages by increasing the supply by doubling the work force, defeminising women to increase worker productivty (maternity and female ability and behaviour patterns are counter productive). It's about other things agreeable to the capitalist agenda, but that's one that anyone should be able to understand easily.

Immigration is fueled by capitalism.

An argument can be made about the immorality of promoting sexual promiscuity in general, but there is no sexualisation of 'minors' (children) going on because all of the characters are adults; as soon as a woman bleeds, she has entered into adulthood. There is nothing in this film about 'kids' even though the author repeatedly says otherwise. It is natural to want to have sex with a 14 year old because they are the same as a 21 year old biologically. Any man who says otherwise is either lying or very mentally ill. The problem has never been the age of the woman, but the lack of marriage. (The age of consent should be marriage. There is no number that can be logically assigned to it.)

Marxism regards homosexualism and promiscuity as forms of bourgeois decadence. This was the official line in the Soviet Union, North Korea, China, etc

Marxism is anti-promiscuity and if anything rather puritanical in its view on sexuality. Modern capitalist societies, however, do do what this author considers for no reason as Marxist propaganda. Just look at what is promited in our capitalist societies for evidence, and compare with the sort of propaganda you find in actual communist societies.

So again I ask you to please explain, where is the Marxism?
 
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Macrobius

Macrobius

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Ixabert said:
Where's the Marxism?
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Sorry, Ixabert. The Frankfurt school doesn't want Propaganda with Good Marxism... it wants Good Propaganda that serves Marxist objectives.

Your comment makes as much sense as 'that cannot possibly be a Denial and Deception plan in support of a military objective... where are the armoured vehicles? If you don't have armoured vehicles you cannot possibly have a *military* objective.'
 
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Lord Osmund de Ixabert

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We see insufficient response. Failure to provide example of Marxian propaganda noted. Before emplying terms of which you know not the meaning, it is advisble that you spend some time acquiring basic understanding of meaning of said terms. Undertand also therefore underlying concepts on which predicated. Assuredly then you will fare better in thought accuracy and argument effectiveness.
 
Charles Silvius Haddock

Charles Silvius Haddock

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Ixabert said:
Marxism regards homosexualism and promiscuity as forms of bourgeois decadence. This was the official line in the Soviet Union, North Korea, China, etc
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This is interesting because Arnold J. Toynbee stated that Marxism was a kind of 'worldly Judaism'. Judging from their approach to morality in the countries under their rule, this is not as far off base as it might first appear.

However, if you are going to attribute the negative qualities to bourgeois decadence, I think it is the case now that some of that has come to China, for example, since the age of Deng.
 

Lord Osmund de Ixabert

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Of course. China is just another capitalist society; one that happens to be more competently run than any capitalist country in Western Europe or North America. I was talking about the viewpoint of Marxist ideology, not describing the state of affairs in an actual socialist society. For the original article specifically mentions Marxist propaganda and Marxist ideology. which he says is being pushed on everyone in our society.

I just see no example of Marxist ideological propaganda anywhere. I just see examples of things that are contrary to Marxist theory or incompatible with the ideology. But the examples given are in keeping with the bourgeois liberal mentality in which they originated. A mentality antithetical to Marxist practice and theory.

It is absurd to blame Marxism for all the immorality and perversion being pushed bon the working class populations by the capitalist classes in all the capitalist countries simultaneously. It is also funny because the same things that people complain of and blame on Marxists, happen "coincidentally" to benefit the capitalists and undermine working class families. Every time it just happily works out to the advantage of capitalism. That isn't very believable to me.

LGBTQ and feminism are perfect examples: things hated by most workers (or objectively harmful to the working class), and loved and promoted everywhere by the capitalists. Blaming capitalist propaganda and indoctrination on Marxism is to treat Marxism as a scapegoat for all the things going wrong in capitalist societies. Right-wingers agree with such humbug because they are of the "anything bad said about Marxism is automatically true" mindset, just as idiot Marxists are of an analogous mindset with respect to capitalist ideologies. Thus both sides deprive one another of the insights peculiar to their own perspectrives.

Even if China were a socialist society, it is still quite beside my point. I regard both systems as prone to the same decadence, even if under capitalism the decadence assumes a much more extreme form so far than anything withnessed in a communist society. I will always disagree with people that try to cover up the bad aspects of capitalism by blaming all of them on "Marxism", even though all of the things of which they complain are being pushed by capitalists, they are the most prevalent in capitalist countries, they originated in capitalist regimes, amd they are specifically denounced by Marxism, and most cases incompatible with the basic tenets of Marxist theory.

Now communist run societies have their own set of problems. They also have many similar problems as those seemingly peculiar to capitalist societies. But they are still state capitalist societies since the mode of production in those societies is still capitalist. So these societies are just atypical capitalist societies; politically pro-communist, economically and socially capitalist. All they did was adopt communism as their official state ideology. They didn't abolish capitalism.
 
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Macrobius

Macrobius

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Charles Silvius Haddock said:
This is interesting because Arnold J. Toynbee stated that Marxism was a kind of 'worldly Judaism'. Judging from their approach to morality in the countries under their rule, this is not as far off base as it might first appear.

However, if you are going to attribute the negative qualities to bourgeois decadence, I think it is the case now that some of that has come to China, for example, since the age of Deng.
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Matthew Arnold (who should know -- see also Thomas Arnold) divided the classes in the Barbarians (Gentry Elite Franks), the Pharisees (Jewboy middle class) and the vast (Saxon/Danish) 'Populace'

Cultural Anarchy is a must read.

He wasn't wrong.
 
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