The Let's Learn Homeric Greek in 2023 Club

Macrobius

Megaphoron

I did Attic and Koine in High School but I've always want to do this. Let's get it done:

Download the text here and we'll take it from there.


So, participants should download the book, read through the first 50pp (all the ones with Latin Letters) before 'Lesson 1' and expect updates on what do this coming weekend.

Introduce yourself and your goals and why you want to do this.

All are welcome, moving at any pace, if we move faster than you like you have a clue-thread to follow and so will future joiners. We'll try to finish the book this year with schedule to come.

I'm just a Frog Newb like you to this subject. Let's learn from each other.

Remember, this was an Iron Age/Kali Yuga text we are reading, written looking backwards to Bronze and earlier, just like BAM.

Have a video about the Kali Yuga: http://kitsap.whigdev.com/post/19_kali-yuga.html

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Moar: http://kitsap.whigdev.com/usernamenvidz
 

Macrobius

Megaphoron
Let's put in a quick plug for Cahokia for us North Americans

(this video quotes the laws of Cahokia, which were well known to some on Salo)


This thread has the potential to do Claremont and Strauss Right, non?

Tunis thread about same:

 

Macrobius

Megaphoron
OK... back to the Bronze Age and Chariots... we need food and slaves and land yes?

Let's get started on this thread, building the new Nomos of the Earth (that's some Carl Schmitt/Benito Cereno/Herman Melville/Moby Dick and Captain Ahab thing)

One of the problems we face in internet forums is ... question 1/how do we pronounce things... and question 2/how do we type 'Polytonic Greek'?

I'll do poasts on those before this weekend, so we can be productive here, unlike that CHAZ thing.

How you represent 'pronunciation' in ASCII (not really a problem, but we'll discuss that).

Answer to first question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirshenbaum

About Polytonic Greek (second question):

Answer to second question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Code

I'll have some MAJOR mods to Beta Code but we'll get there.
 

Macrobius

Megaphoron
This is how its done, not by electing GOP speakers of the House... just saying, as a Jeffersonian lad.

Stonewall Jackson was Bronze Age as fuck.

DONBASS, ADVANCE!

More about Greek and Homer Respecters of the South -- forbidden knowledge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_Lanneau_Gildersleeve

Ah, Goettingen... clearly a BAP man...

He was born in Charleston, South Carolina to Emma Louisa Lanneau (daughter of Bazille Lanneau and Hannah Vinyard) and Benjamin Gildersleeve (1791–1875). His father was a Presbyterian evangelist, and editor of the Charleston Christian Observer from 1826 to 1845, of the Richmond, Virginia Watchman and Observer from 1845 to 1856, and of The Central Presbyterian from 1856 to 1860. His maternal grandfather was Bazile Lanneau (born Basile Lanoue), one of the many French Acadians who were forcibly expelled by the British from present day Nova Scotia during the French and Indian War. His maternal grandmother was Hannah Vinyard. He graduated from Princeton in 1849 at the age of eighteen, and went on to study under Johannes Franz in Berlin, under Friedrich Ritschl at Bonn and under Friedrich Wilhelm Schneidewin at Göttingen, where he received his PhD in 1853. Upon returning to the United States, he was offered a position as a Classics professor at Princeton, but he turned it down.[2] From 1856 to 1876 he was professor of Greek at the University of Virginia, holding the chair of Latin also from 1861 to 1866.[3] He married September 18, 1866 in Middlebury, Virginia to Eliza Fisher Colston.

After service for the Confederate States Army in the American Civil War, during which Gildersleeve was shot in the leg, he returned to the University of Virginia.[4] Ten years later, he accepted an offer from Daniel Coit Gilman to teach at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.[5] When the Johns Hopkins University opened in 1876, Gildersleeve was one of five original full professors and was responsible for setting up a program in the study of Greek and Roman literature, at which he succeeded admirably. He chose junior faculty and graduate students who went on to make a major impact in classical studies, at Johns Hopkins and elsewhere. His hiring also helped to reassure the Baltimore community that the new university was not just a northern institution transplanted south. Johns Hopkins was known to be opposed to slavery, founding president Daniel Coit Gilman was from Connecticut, and most other faculty were from the northern states, which led to suspicion regarding the intent of the new institution.[6]

In 1880, the American Journal of Philology, a quarterly published by the Johns Hopkins University, was established under his editorial charge, and his strong personality was expressed in the department of the Journal headed "Brief Report" or "Lanx Satura," and in the earliest years of its publication every tiny detail was in his hands. His style in it, as elsewhere, is in striking contrast to that of the typical classical scholar, and accords with his conviction that the true aim of scholarship is "that which is." He published a Latin Grammar (1867; revised with the co-operation of Gonzalez B. Lodge, 1895 and 1899; reprinted 1997 with a bibliography of twentieth-century work on the subject)[7] and a Latin Series for use in secondary schools (1875), both marked by lucidity of order and mastery of grammatical theory and methods. His edition of Persius (1875) has been attributed great value.[3]

Gildersleeve bent was rather toward Greek than Latin. His special interest in Christian Greek was partly the cause of his editing the Apologies of Justin Martyr (1877), which claimed to have "used unblushingly as a repository for [his] syntactical formulae." Gildersleeve's studies under Franz had no doubt quickened his interest in Greek syntax, and his logic, untrammeled by previous categories, and his marvelous sympathy with the language were displayed in this most unlikely of places. His Syntax of Classic Greek (Part I, 1900, with CWE Miller) collects these formulae. Gildersleeve edited in 1885 The Olympian and Pythian Odes of Pindar, with what was called "a brilliant and valuable introduction." His views on the function of grammar were summarized in a paper on The Spiritual Rights of Minute Research delivered at Bryn Mawr on June 16, 1895. His collected contributions to literary periodicals appeared in 1890 under the title Essays and Studies Educational and Literary.[3]

The Atlantic Monthly published an article by Gildersleeve titled "The Creed of the Old South" in January 1892, and an essay—"A Southerner in the Peloponnesian War"— in September 1897. Johns Hopkins Press later published them in a book in 1915.[8]

A gravestone.
Gildersleeve's gravestone at the University of Virginia Cemetery in Charlottesville, Virginia.
He was elected president of the American Philological Association in 1877 and again in 1908 and became a member of the American Academy of Arts and Letters as well as of various learned societies. He received the honorary degree of LL.D. from William and Mary (1869), Harvard (1896), Yale (1901), Chicago (1901),[9] and Pennsylvania (1911); D.C.L. from the University of the South (1884); L.H.D. from Yale (1891) and Princeton (1899); and Litt.D. from Oxford and Cambridge (1905).

Gildersleeve retired from teaching in 1915. He died on January 9, 1924 and was buried at the University of Virginia cemetery. In a memorial published in the American Journal of Philology, Professor C. W. E. Miller paid tribute to Gildersleeve by stating, “Of Greek authors, there were few with whom he did not have more than a bowing acquaintance.”[10]

In more recent years, Gildersleeve has received critical attention for his unapologetic defense of slavery, during and after the Civil War. In Soldier and Scholar: Basil Lanneau Gildersleeve and the American Civil War, Ward Briggs published editorials written by Gildersleeve while he served as a staff officer in the Confederate Army and as a professor at the University of Virginia. These editorials feature vitriolic attacks on critics of slavery, with parallels drawn to ancient Greek authors and situations. He expressed his contempt for Confederate President Jefferson Davis, whom he considered inept. Jews also came under attack in his writings (including Confederate cabinet officer Judah P. Benjamin), as did those accused of miscegenation.[11]



LOOK AT ME FUCKERS. If you want to end Altantean Rule, read this thread.

Now, about the idea of adopting the German Ph.D. as a flagship degree and Johns Hopkins as a Prussian style research univerisity... it had its points.

But we should consider carefully the outcome. I call the American 'Civil War' the 'War of PhD Aggression' because it was fought by Ph.D.s on both sides.
 

Macrobius

Megaphoron
Course materials will be on these two threads, so if you want to comment you will need to join at least one of them:

Tunis Bay Club


Whigger/Whitespace

 

Macrobius

Megaphoron
Fair warning: some of the upcoming 'in game' lessons will be NFTs. I'll make sure there's no actual charge for any instructional materials however.

Now, NFTs representing Bronze Age artifacts... this needs to happen. *Invents DeWar metaverse*
 

Macrobius

Megaphoron
I've 'upgraded' the GameOfThreads to include a 'Bronze Age Wing' (to some kind of museum or library from the Iron Age, presumably) that will host the lessons from this thread: https://kitsap.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/public/games/GameOfThreads.html

I also put the 'game' under source code control at Github, in my KitsapSearch project:


I'll make a new 'release' each Saturday, but the clever student who wants to read ahead will notice that the upcoming source code is checked in under https://github.com/macrobius/KitsapSearch/tree/master/games and that the release directory will have the final build -- these will 'overwrite' earlier editions, but I will keep 'past' editions in the static host (an Amazon AWS S3 bucket named 'kitsap').

Also, if you want assistance, you can always file an 'issue' in the KitsapSearch project[1], and for 'game hints' they will in the future be located in the wiki.[2]

[1]: https://github.com/macrobius/KitsapSearch/issues
[2]: https://github.com/macrobius/KitsapSearch/wiki

pURLs to find this work:

https://purl.org/courses/homeric/2023 (this thread)
https://purl.org/courses/games/homeric (the game)

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Macrobius

Megaphoron
How to speak Greek... let's listen to some (Hymn from 19th century of the Sixth Age[1])



[1]: https://tunisbayclub.com/index.php?threads/when-was-latin-invented.1113/

I'm pretty sure that the Greek rendering of Threnoi (Lamentations of Jeremiah for you Western Christians) ,.,, vid is three hours so maybe skip to the middle around 1 hour in to hear how to sing Greek like you're a FUCKING ROMAN facing the Echthros (Enemy) like we are today. But remember, these are the TROJANS who are the good guys in the epic we are about read, according to Virgil (and Christians).

BTW, I'm about 100% certain that the idea of THRENOI is both pre-Christian and pre-Jew. LISTEN to the DYING GOD stuff. That Prosody has to be straight out of BRONZE AGE paganism, non? Pure Philistine and Ba'al. Varg is doing the whole Varangian thing really wrong. #BronzeOps

Note: they are singing Koine Greek with a pronunciation that hasn't changed all that much since the 1st century AD.

I'm willing to bet, when they teach Homer in Greece these days, the pronunciation is pretty close to this conservative one that the 'Greek Generals' and Katharevousa[2] tried to preserve.

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharevousa

 

Macrobius

Megaphoron
I haven't at all forgotten this project.

The first two weeks are time for you to learn the alphabet, and for me to write on that topic (and how to *write* the alphabet 'online' which you need to know) and put that information in a pdf (and an epub and a mobi) that you can use to SPELL.[1]

[1]: very important thread -- bibliography for what is coming https://tunisbayclub.com/index.php?threads/a-pre-1820s-reading-list.278/

Anyone who is happy with their mastery of breathings, accent, syllables, and letters should read that list for books on 'Attic Greek' and read the first part of those as a supplement. Also, none of the books available online tell you how to write the alphabet in manuscript or cursive *at all*. Americans teaching Greek, like Japanese teaching English just have you soft of 'draw' the letters on the page. Obviously countries like the Anglo-Sphere or Greece or Russia teach their own children properly -- try finding such information and learning it. It will help you in the long run. A Russian cursive 'Teh' looks *nothing* like a T. A Hebrew Aleph doesn't look like the Maths symbol. Same with the Greek letters (either manuscript or cursive).

Carry on, men. And see you next Sabbath Day. Martius, the month of military exercises on the Field of Mars... is COMING. Not sure what Homer called that month but I'll bet he had a name for it.... Read Hesiod? ANATOLIA PREVAILS! (England, even). Varangian Guard of Saxony... PRESENT ARMS!
 
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