Ukraine, Russia, Fatima: What Is Heaven Telling Us?

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Phoron

"Our Lady gave us a role to play here too. To participate in the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart.

These are the First Saturdays of reparation. And that begins this Saturday. If you haven’t done it yet, start now. If you’ve already done it, do it again. Do it every First Saturday and offer it up for those who have neglected this. Offer your daily Rosary. Offer more than one for souls who have not prayed the Rosary. This is our obligation now to renew our commitment to Our Lady and fulfill her requests against the errors of Russia."
 

clefty

Phoron
In her Fatima message, Our Lady said that Russia would convert to the Catholic Church. Archbishop Viganò seems to think the opposite, that the West and the Catholic Church herself will convert to the Third Rome, in other words, to schism and heresy.

That is absurd. It is shocking to see it being suggested by a Catholic bishop. Here are Archbishop Viganò’s words in full:

An appeal to the Third Rome
The world crisis with which the dissolution of traditional society is being prepared has also involved the Catholic Church, whose hierarchy is held hostage by apostates who are courtiers of powerPerhaps Providence has ordained that Moscow, the Third Rome, will today in the sight of the world take on the role of κατέχον [Katechon] (2 Thess 2:6-7), of eschatological obstacle to the Antichrist.13 If the errors of communism were spread by the Soviet Union, even to the point of imposing themselves within the Church, Russia and Ukraine can today have an epochal role in the restoration of Christian Civilization, contributing to bringing the world a period of peace from which the Church too will rise again purified and renewed in her Ministers.14

The Russian Church’s Nationalism

Stefano Caprio, a priest and professor of Russian History and Culture at Rome’s Pontifical Oriental Institute, received this question from journalist Leone Grotti: “Why is the Russian Orthodox Church historically so tied to political power?”

Fr. Caprio answered: “It would take too long to give an exhaustive answer; let’s say they are together from the very origin of Russia. Even during the Soviet Union, when the Orthodox Church was persecuted, Stalin decided to dust it off during Hitler’s invasion to rekindle the patriotic spirit. Thus was born the church of Stalin, a former seminarian who as a child dreamed of becoming the patriarch of Georgia. And Kirill, as a young monk, was raised by Stalin’s group of metropolitans.”15

Bohdan Oghulchanskij is a Ukrainian with “almost thirty years of experience of priesthood, including a long tenure in the Moscow Patriarchate.” He shows the role played by the Russian schismatic church in Russian nationalism: “Religious exceptionalism, self-identification as ‘Holy Russia,’ ‘The Third Rome, and the Fourth cannot be,’ resided in the Russian religious consciousness. . . . [N]ationalism, as many researchers note, is very characteristic of Orthodoxy. . . . n Russia, Orthodoxy has always been an instrument of the imperial state.”16


 

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Phoron

“On April 11, 1945, the Ukrainian Catholic Bishops were arrested, including Archbishop Josyf Slipyj. From 1920 to 1922, Slipyj had studied at the Pontifical Oriental Institute in Rome and the Pontifical Gregorian University. In 1939, with the blessing of Pope Pius XII, Slipyj was consecrated Archbishop of Lvov. He became the head of the UGCC (Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church) in1944. Then, along with the other Bishops, he was accused of collaboration with the Nazis and sentenced to forced labor in the Siberian Gulag.

“In response, Pius XII issued his Encyclical Orientales Omnes of December 23, 1945. In it the Pope not only condemned Communism; he openly and specifically attacked Moscow Patriarch Alexis.

"The situation got worse March 8-10, 1946, when Soviet authorities forcibly convened an assembly of 216 priests and the so-called Synod of Lvov was held, at which the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church was forcibly ‘reunited’ to the Russian Orthodox Church and forced to revoke its union with Rome. The UGCC first became a ‘Church of Silence,’ then a ‘Church of Martyrs,’ as many Ukrainian Catholics who were imprisoned by the communists were tortured and/or murdered.” (Ibid., English ed., p. 91)
 

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Phoron

"One takeaway from last October’s Synod of Bishops on “young people, faith and vocational discernment” at the Vatican, was that “our parishes are rightly placed (with) exactly what our young people are searching for,” although “we don’t always use the same language,” she said, adding that “if Jesus were preaching and teaching today, we might think of him as that millennial hipster with some crazy ideas.”

Youth coming together to celebrate also is helpful, according to Timoney, who cited national, regional and local World Youth Day celebrations concurrent with the international World Youth Day as an example. “Young people need help with discernment,” Timoney said. “They need help to make sense of who they are, and who God wants them to be.”

Assimilation into the larger culture is not limited to Ukrainians, said Mar Munoz-Visoso, executive director of the U.S. bishops’ Secretariat of Cultural Diversity in the Church.

“Among Hispanics, kids are speaking English,” Munoz-Visoso said. “They are subject to the same temptations and cultural influence as all of the other kids.” What is needed is “to reach out in a way that is meaningful to them,” she said.

But discipleship is not to be restricted to one’s own group, she added. “The church in Ukraine is missionary in its own identity,” she said. Evangelization should not be limited to just “the ones who speak like me, or look like me, or think like me, but all nations,” as Jesus decreed, she added.

Father Peter Galadza, a Ukrainian Catholic priest and theologian, said the Ukrainian liturgical rites hold an appeal to some non-Ukrainians who have joined the Ukrainian church, which like all Eastern Catholic churches, are in communion with Rome. Still there are some Ukrainian Catholics who harbor resentment of non-Ukrainians worshipping with them.

“We will never allow anyone in our church to look at you and say, ‘What are you doing here? You’re not Ukrainian,'” said the priest, who is director and professor of liturgy at the Metropolitan Andrey Sheptytsky Institute of Eastern Christian Studies at the University of St. Michael’s College, University of Toronto."

oh boy...there's lots to discuss here...but elsewhere I guess...lol
 

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Phoron



"The State Service for Ethnicpolitics and Freedom of Conscience was instructed to conduct a theological examination of the Charter governing the Ukrainian Orthodox Church for signs of ecclesiastical and canonical links with the Moscow Patriarchate."

Now that would be an interesting read...
 
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Phoron

"According to a Facebook post from SBU, the items recovered on Thursday included "books of xenophobic content with offensive fabrications about other nationalities and religions."

"The found brochures deny Ukraine's right to independence, and stress that Russia, Ukraine and Belarus 'cannot be divided,'" read the report.

The SBU also reportedly found printouts of "pro-Russian songs that glorified the 'Russian land' and called for 'the awakening of the mother-Russia.'" All of the materials are being transferred to "relevant expert research," the report said.

The Kyiv Independent also reported that a large number of Russian Orthodox parishes have "switched" to align with the Orthodox Church of Ukraine since the start of the Russia-Ukraine war. The outlet said that a record number of 229 parishes left Russia's church in the month of May alone"

...maybe Facebook should be shut down?

Twitter?


"This year, however, the Orthodox Church of Ukraine is allowing its congregations for the first time to celebrate Christmas on December 25, according to the western, Gregorian calendar.

It is yet another move away from Russia."

awww...that is nice...

errr sorry

that's horrible...

and the move away from Holy Rus...

 
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