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Another topical thread birthed from the shout box.
What does it mean when names are changed?
Our very own Doc Alan Ya’aqov II posted this article in the SB:
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/jack-smith-trump-antisemitism/
and highlighted this for us: "little bit of history—America’s and Trump’s—makes things considerably less mysterious. Any Jew of a certain age recognizes Trump’s trope as a classic anti-Semitic slur, one dating back to Henry Ford and probably before."
Apparently names...and names changing...have remained important even in the secular world for a long time... dating back to Ford and "probably before".
So I shouted back:
"yeah…a little before…even Jesus had His name changed to sound less jooish…who knew there was another name “under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Which was given prompt reaction TARD! Reactions
Petr
clefty: what's so "tard" about that Cephas?" I asked using his Aramaic name as a reminder that even Pete "the first pope" was renamed from Simon.
That got a prompt response too... TARD! Reactions piscamaniac
I then asked:
clefty: Say wut Cephas? Same “trick” used with Paul? Yeah you right dude…Saul to Paul who we all know was twisted to further divorce from anything jooish…
and yet again a prompt TARD! Reactions Petr
And so I thought it interesting enough for a thread. Obviously inspiring responses already...
After all Peter was שִׁמְעוֹן (Shim'on) meaning "hearing, listening" before he became Petr...
Here's a good starter pack article:
apologeticspress.org
"But what about the meaning of the name? Those who argue in favor of the superiority of the name Yeshua insist that the Hebrew form means “salvation” whereas the Greek form is meaningless. This is true, and I believe every Christian should know the name of Jesus in Hebrew and Aramaic means “salvation.” However, Peter-Petros-Pietro-Pierre-Pedro means “rock” only in the Greek language. It is meaningless in the others; yet none of us seems bothered by this problem, and no one insists on a consistent, universal pronunciation as Petros."
halleluYah...indeed He saves...through His Son...
As for names and who is Who even poor King Jimmy got it wrong with all his big brained wordsmiths:
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Hebrews 4:8 KJV)
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. (Hebrews 4:8 NIV)
dustoffthebible.com
and also
Acts 7:45 King James Bible
"Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;"
Awwww come on Jimmy you "supplanter"!!
Maybe if this King Ya’aqov had recalled his own name came from an OT origin he might have not messed this up so badly?
Joshua 22:4-5, 23:1,6 We see that Joshua did speak of a general rest given to Israel and then he still commanded that the commandments given at Sinai be kept which included that day of rest even for the "strangers and donkeys"
The Sabbatismos of Heb. 4:9 a greek hebrew hyphenated word since the Greeks had their own word for Saturday...but a Hebrew understanding was necessary.
That so much is lost in translation is the focus of this thread.
preachersinstitute.com
Here's another interesting point:
Daniel 1:3-7
The king ordered Ashpenaz, the chief of his court officials, to bring some of the Israelites from the royal family and from the nobility - young men without any physical defect, good-looking, suitable for instruction in all wisdom, knowledgeable, perceptive, and capable of serving in the king’s palace - and to teach them the Chaldean language and literature. The king assigned them daily provisions from the royal food and from the wine that he drank. They were to be trained for three years, and at the end of that time they were to serve in the king’s court. Among them, from the descendants of Judah, were Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. The chief official gave them other names: he gave the name Belteshazzar to Daniel, Shadrach to Hananiah, Meshach to Mishael, and Abednego to Azariah.
Why the name changes? What made the boys’ Hebrew names unacceptable to the Babylonians? The meaning of their Hebrew names centered on the one true God: Daniel – God is my judge; Hananiah – Yah has been gracious; Mishael – who is what God is; Azariah – Yah has helped.
Contrast that to their “new” names whose meanings centered on several false Babylonian gods: Beltashazzar – Bel will protect; Shadrach – inspired of Aku; Meshach – belonging to Aku; Abednego – servant of Nego.
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Perhaps He meant it when He reminded His "thou dost not take My Name in vain" from Sinai to the promised land where He would choose a place for it...
What does it mean when names are changed?
Our very own Doc Alan Ya’aqov II posted this article in the SB:
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/jack-smith-trump-antisemitism/
and highlighted this for us: "little bit of history—America’s and Trump’s—makes things considerably less mysterious. Any Jew of a certain age recognizes Trump’s trope as a classic anti-Semitic slur, one dating back to Henry Ford and probably before."
Apparently names...and names changing...have remained important even in the secular world for a long time... dating back to Ford and "probably before".
So I shouted back:
"yeah…a little before…even Jesus had His name changed to sound less jooish…who knew there was another name “under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Which was given prompt reaction TARD! Reactions
Petrclefty: what's so "tard" about that Cephas?" I asked using his Aramaic name as a reminder that even Pete "the first pope" was renamed from Simon.
That got a prompt response too... TARD! Reactions
piscamaniacI then asked:
clefty: Say wut Cephas? Same “trick” used with Paul? Yeah you right dude…Saul to Paul who we all know was twisted to further divorce from anything jooish…
and yet again a prompt TARD! Reactions
PetrAnd so I thought it interesting enough for a thread. Obviously inspiring responses already...
After all Peter was שִׁמְעוֹן (Shim'on) meaning "hearing, listening" before he became Petr...
Here's a good starter pack article:
Jesus or Yeshua? - Apologetics Press
[EDITOR’S NOTE: A.P. auxiliary writer Dr. Rogers serves as Director of the Graduate School of Theology and Associate Professor of Biblical Studies at Freed-Hardeman University. He holds an M.A. in New Testament from F-HU as well as an M.Phil. and Ph.D. in Hebraic, Judaic, and Cognate Studies...
apologeticspress.org
"But what about the meaning of the name? Those who argue in favor of the superiority of the name Yeshua insist that the Hebrew form means “salvation” whereas the Greek form is meaningless. This is true, and I believe every Christian should know the name of Jesus in Hebrew and Aramaic means “salvation.” However, Peter-Petros-Pietro-Pierre-Pedro means “rock” only in the Greek language. It is meaningless in the others; yet none of us seems bothered by this problem, and no one insists on a consistent, universal pronunciation as Petros."
halleluYah...indeed He saves...through His Son...
As for names and who is Who even poor King Jimmy got it wrong with all his big brained wordsmiths:
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Hebrews 4:8 KJV)
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. (Hebrews 4:8 NIV)
Translation Errors In The King James Version: Hebrews 4:8 (Jesus or Joshua?)
Translation Errors In The King James Version We now have 5 and soon to be 6 entries on this topic. You can find the other entries through the "Blog Series" menu at the top of the page or by clicking a link provided below. Acts 19:37 (Robbers of what?) Psalm 145 (Where is the rest of the acrosti
dustoffthebible.com
and also
Acts 7:45 King James Bible
"Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;"
Awwww come on Jimmy you "supplanter"!!
Maybe if this King Ya’aqov had recalled his own name came from an OT origin he might have not messed this up so badly?
Joshua 22:4-5, 23:1,6 We see that Joshua did speak of a general rest given to Israel and then he still commanded that the commandments given at Sinai be kept which included that day of rest even for the "strangers and donkeys"
The Sabbatismos of Heb. 4:9 a greek hebrew hyphenated word since the Greeks had their own word for Saturday...but a Hebrew understanding was necessary.
That so much is lost in translation is the focus of this thread.
Joshua, Jesus and Yeshua: Power In The Name
preachersinstitute.com
Here's another interesting point:
Daniel 1:3-7
The king ordered Ashpenaz, the chief of his court officials, to bring some of the Israelites from the royal family and from the nobility - young men without any physical defect, good-looking, suitable for instruction in all wisdom, knowledgeable, perceptive, and capable of serving in the king’s palace - and to teach them the Chaldean language and literature. The king assigned them daily provisions from the royal food and from the wine that he drank. They were to be trained for three years, and at the end of that time they were to serve in the king’s court. Among them, from the descendants of Judah, were Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. The chief official gave them other names: he gave the name Belteshazzar to Daniel, Shadrach to Hananiah, Meshach to Mishael, and Abednego to Azariah.
Why the name changes? What made the boys’ Hebrew names unacceptable to the Babylonians? The meaning of their Hebrew names centered on the one true God: Daniel – God is my judge; Hananiah – Yah has been gracious; Mishael – who is what God is; Azariah – Yah has helped.
Contrast that to their “new” names whose meanings centered on several false Babylonian gods: Beltashazzar – Bel will protect; Shadrach – inspired of Aku; Meshach – belonging to Aku; Abednego – servant of Nego.
What’s in a Name?
by Ducia Hamm, Associate Director of Affiliate Services Names have always fascinated me, maybe because my first name is Ducia (pronounced Doos-ya). It was given to me by my dad who emigrated from the Ukraine. Now here in the good ‘ol USA, Ducia is considered an unusual name but go to the Ukraine...
Perhaps He meant it when He reminded His "thou dost not take My Name in vain" from Sinai to the promised land where He would choose a place for it...
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