Is Bergoglio Really the Pope?
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Mike
qui transtulit sustinet
Nothing has changed, I am willing to bet. Despite the ABC’s misleading title, homosexuals can receive a priest’s blessing, but not the sacraments. Homosexual acts can’t be blessed. Homosexual “marriage“ remains unrecognized as such. The pope has simply made one more mealy-mouthed statement, once again encouraging reformers, confusing lay people, and sending traditionalists to run damage control. It’s absolutely unhelpful to say the least, but totally situation normal for this pope.
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Pope says priests can bless same-sex unions
Pope Francis has formally approved allowing priests to bless same-sex couples
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piscamaniac
MAGA Republican
It has, because these queers are quite open about who and what they are and that they want the anal coupling part of their relationship blessed. There can be no doubt about what such a proud couple are asking for, no need for any complex moral analysis to determine such: this is evil.
Petr
Administrator
All that legalistic trickery RCs have used to defend their worship of images - like the veneratio/adoratio distinction - is beginning to bite them in the ass, as the homo-enablers can use Jesuitical excuses as well. "I am not really worshipping this statue, I am just showing a respectful gesture to it." "I am not really blessing sodomites, I am merely showing a respectful gesture to them."
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Tucho, His Dildo, And The Homo “Couples”
Tucho is the one on the upper right hand corner… There are times when I am so angry that I cannot write a blog post about a certain event without using expressions which I find entirely justi…
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The way it looks is that a priest can bless couples of faggots, trannies, all sorts of public degenerates openly defying the Church. However, this blessing is not the real blessing. It’s not a formal one, in a way. It’s an informal, “loose”, “jeans and T-shirt” blessing, because perverts accompany each other, you know, so Tucho will not leave his friends Adam & Steve without his “blessing”.
That’s a very interesting perspective, that really gives you the measure of the contortions of Tucho’s degenerate mind. With this reasoning, we can have two of everything. We can have a communion that is not the real communion, a confession that is not the real confession, and so on. Every time, Tucho will tell us that well, it is not really the real thing (because we still pretend we’re Catholic, you know), but hey, the message is clear enough, and leaves Church-defying perverts free to live in public scandal and satanic way of life, safe in the knowledge that a blessing will always be theirs on request.
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Taking a sacramental (and, again, it could be everything else) and saying “let’s have version 2.0 of it, so that we keep being Catholics whilst actually being perverts” is exactly the contrary of why these sacraments and sacramentals exist in the first place.
Petr
Administrator
Protestants have often felt sympathy for those kind of Roman Catholics who have sincerely tried to uphold what the Holy Bible and authentic Christian tradition proclaim, only to be stepped on by Romish authorities. Jansenists like Blaise Pascal are a classic example of that:
clefty
Phoron
Well…Francis is a genius PR man…has the whole world’s attention on the Church in the headlines…
Turns out everybody’s only talkin’ ‘bout “how nice they are to sinners”…
Would that the world recall these changes:
What Are the Church’s Current Rules on Indulgences?
(On Easter Sunday, Pope Francis will give the traditional Urbi et Orbi blessing in St. Peter’s Square, and under the proper conditions Catholics can gain a plenary indulgence. So it seems ap…
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…which also didn’t change much…
Turns out everybody’s only talkin’ ‘bout “how nice they are to sinners”…
Would that the world recall these changes:
What Are the Church’s Current Rules on Indulgences?
(On Easter Sunday, Pope Francis will give the traditional Urbi et Orbi blessing in St. Peter’s Square, and under the proper conditions Catholics can gain a plenary indulgence. So it seems ap…
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…which also didn’t change much…
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clefty
Phoron
A response to stubborn gays which is a far cry from:
1 Cor 5:1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even [a]named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are [b]puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you.
…and of course “go (unpunished) and sin no more”…
From the actual document:
43. The Church is thus the sacrament of God’s infinite love. Therefore, even when a person’s relationship with God is clouded by sin, he can always ask for a blessing, stretching out his hand to God, as Peter did in the storm when he cried out to Jesus, “Lord, save me!” (Mt. 14:30). https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en
Right…but Peter wanted OUT of the storm and was not merely blessed while remaining in it…
1 Cor 5:1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even [a]named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are [b]puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you.
…and of course “go (unpunished) and sin no more”…
From the actual document:
43. The Church is thus the sacrament of God’s infinite love. Therefore, even when a person’s relationship with God is clouded by sin, he can always ask for a blessing, stretching out his hand to God, as Peter did in the storm when he cried out to Jesus, “Lord, save me!” (Mt. 14:30). https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en
Right…but Peter wanted OUT of the storm and was not merely blessed while remaining in it…
piscamaniac
MAGA Republican
This is the important part of the 2021 document:
"For this reason, it is not licit to impart a blessing on relationships, or partnerships, even stable, that involve sexual activity outside of marriage (i.e., outside the indissoluble union of a man and a woman open in itself to the transmission of life), as is the case of the unions between persons of the same sex[6]. The presence in such relationships of positive elements, which are in themselves to be valued and appreciated, cannot justify these relationships and render them legitimate objects of an ecclesial blessing, since the positive elements exist within the context of a union not ordered to the Creator’s plan."
What is meant to be blessed in Feducia Supplicans:
"who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit."
OK, so the contention is that it is only the things referred to as "positive elements" in the 2021 document can be blessed. The thing is that the 2021 responsum is clear that the whole of the relationship cannot be blessed, not just the illicit sexual part. It even spells out these "positive elements" cannot be legitimizing or justifying because they are tainted by their link to sodomy in the context of the relationship. In fact, I think "positive elements" is poor wording: these are evil things because they lead to sodomical and illicit sexual behaviour and reinforce an illicit relationship. So, I agree, Feducia Supplicans IS something new and contradicts the previous 2021 document, common sense and good taste. It would be wrong to give such relationship elements a thumbsup let alone a blessing.
Hail Christ!
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Empress Cheesatine
Your Swabian Empress
The OP has a Vortex episode. Sad but somehow predictable that sodomite would backslide. Pathetic considering the amount of calling out of gay clergy he was doing. Projecting, maybe? That old clip at 4:08 was especially gut-turning.
piscamaniac
MAGA Republican
Voris is as fake as Milo's celibacy.
clefty
Phoron
Perhaps EMJ rather than hear what he wants to hear…typical of those with ill intent… even with the letters of Paul…should instead settle down and accept the officer in his seat
As for the little ones confused and millstones… it would be more helpful for both these guys to focus on the real sins of the Church namely the sexual abuse and cover up.
This pope’s PR campaign is genius…keeping it all in the headlines and relevant to the times…
A culture jam exposing enemies even within the Church…
As for the little ones confused and millstones… it would be more helpful for both these guys to focus on the real sins of the Church namely the sexual abuse and cover up.
This pope’s PR campaign is genius…keeping it all in the headlines and relevant to the times…
A culture jam exposing enemies even within the Church…
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Mike
qui transtulit sustinet
I'm not going to listen another hour-long show by Michael Lofton saying the same things I have already heard (well maybe I will, in the background, while I do other things). Lofton goes through these statements one by one, and I think he has successfully made the case that no teaching has been changed, even if there is a specious appearance of a change, or the suspicion that some radicals in the Vatican do want a change (which of course is true and a legitimate source of worry).
The main problem with these "clarifications" from the Vatican is that they're made at all. The gist of the RCC's age-old teaching on sex and marriage is not rocket science, and when one repeatedly clarifies something that is already clear - especially when the clarification is as long-winded and highly nuanced as Vatican statements tend to be - then one actually ends up increasing the confusion. It signals weakness, lack of resolve. But Lofton also points out that it's valid for a pope to try to avoid schism with the Germans and other liberals, to try to ride out a temporary disturbance in the marketplace. That might be a reason for the softness of rhetoric. Whether one agrees or disagrees with this tactic, it's still just a tactic.
In case it's not clear I like many would prefer to hear short, strong statements affirming the old teachings. Maybe next pope, who knows.
Empress Cheesatine
Your Swabian Empress
I agree. You can see in some of Milo's videos a third party is clearly filming him. His celibacy is as genuine as Voris' hair.
Empress Cheesatine
Your Swabian Empress
It always struck me as sus the way he kept up his hair, dyed and carefully coiffed, for a guy who supposedly went celibate and consecrated himself to Mary.
Now we have him sending gym photos of himself topless, some with semis, to young male CM staffers.
Now we have him sending gym photos of himself topless, some with semis, to young male CM staffers.