The old Phora was a beautiful place...
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Petr
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Well, Hanussen was a shady Jewish entertainer/charlatan who had connection to the Nazis:
Erik Jan Hanussen - Wikipedia
Although Hanussen claimed to be a Danish aristocrat, he was in fact a Moravian Jew, born as Hermann (Herschel Chaim) Steinschneider.[2]
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Hanussen performed a mind reading and hypnosis act at La Scala in Berlin that catapulted him to stardom.[4]: 209 At his height, he enjoyed the company of Germany's military and business elite, also becoming close with members of the SA ("Brownshirts"). It is claimed he was a supporter of the Nazis despite his Jewish ancestry, which was an open secret. Hanussen converted from Judaism to Protestantism in order to join the Nazi Party.[5] He also published anti-Semitic propaganda.[5]
kanethenotorious
Phoron
The old phora was actually an interesting dialogue of divergent viewpoints. You can also use archive.org to see how active it used to be. https://web.archive.org/web/20070206032916/www.thephora.net/forum
Today you can't get a good multi-ideological discussion anywhere, because anyone who is allowed to migrates to big websites and the big websites ban certain ideologies. I regret that I spent time trolling it, until I later realized it was a great escape from patriotards but had already trolled my way off of it.
If the old phora was around today, I would completely align myself differently than I did back then. My posts would be like they are these days, but I would find fellow travelers in the diverse environment it was.
edit: With social media, we really live in the age of the echo chamber these days.
Today you can't get a good multi-ideological discussion anywhere, because anyone who is allowed to migrates to big websites and the big websites ban certain ideologies. I regret that I spent time trolling it, until I later realized it was a great escape from patriotards but had already trolled my way off of it.
If the old phora was around today, I would completely align myself differently than I did back then. My posts would be like they are these days, but I would find fellow travelers in the diverse environment it was.
edit: With social media, we really live in the age of the echo chamber these days.
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WillTell
Member
What about a Mutual Twitch debate stream hour with masks or Avatars for whoever wants them?
If I wear Prosthetic breasts would you join?
kanethenotorious
Phoron
It would be worth tolerating your prosthetic breasts to see something that resembles what thephora used to be at the time I trolled it.
kanethenotorious
Phoron
I have regrets that I wasn't leftist during the golden age of thephora when it had a big socialist paradise forum. Back then I was basically the same views as Fox News. After getting banned from the jtf.org forum, where I posted as a righteous gentile, I switched to being far left from being far right. The socialist paradise really was great to read. I'd probably be part of the color blind society if the old phora existed today, since I advocate the use of Blacks as a political terrorist attack on the rich.
Macrobius
Megaphoron
Welcome to the new Long-Count Baktun. The Philadelphia experiment was a success.
Baktun - Wikipedia
WillTell
Member
I think you're hilarious. My principles have remained the same since about 14, though my understanding of the differences between far-left and far-right have increased, tempered on some things and become more hardened on others.
My basic Principles that have not changed:
1. Basic dignity is violated when you change the members of polity against its will in any way.
2. Elites SHOULD serve that polity as a good father does for a child.
That has not changed.
I don't think the Leftists or even the mainstream nice color bind conservatives or even the Fox news viewers, particularly give a shit about the people under them in their real world hierarchies anymore than these little arrogant Slavic Pagan types or Wignats on the internet do. So I'm not a Leftist.
I suppose I was more open to notions of trying to share resources more fairly economically at one point. But I'm afraid any schemes in that direction Mr. Kane, cannot be the center point of an ideology. Not the least because the Leftists themselves are completely insincere the minute they get into power, never mind that it is unworkable.
Castro died with millions in the bank.
Ultimately I think freedom is more important than equality, and the Nation is more important, than whether or not have to be a "worker" or an "owner." Ideally, everyone should be "owners" but not the Communist sense, since that is simply nonsense.
I would look to Taiwan for inspiration for how to increase the ownership of the common wheel in a country.
Saying you are a Leftist today, is the ultimate lie.
At the end of every story, the Leftist is perfectly happy to share other people's resources, just not his own. Even the mainstream conservatives are right about that.
I never met a generous leftist. I have met the occasional implicit rightist who did give me ... a penny... at least.
WillTell
Member
I never understood why you dumped the JTF. That had potential.
I also don't think Blacks are effective against the rich. Blacks can only ever destroy the property of the common people. The folks who might own just one tiny piece of property. Blacks are useless for anything greater than knuckle dragging destruction. They probably do more damage from flattering and entertaining the rich in the long run.
kanethenotorious
Phoron
They got rid of me because I made a statement that was anti-Hitler but not anti-Hitler enough. The main source of disagreement is they're religious not secular, they support Israel (which I don't anymore) and they support Reaganomics. They make some politically incorrect statements that are entertaining, but when you get down to what they actually think, we don't match up..
Blacks need to be anti-rich instead of anti-white for class based politics to work.
Blacks need to be anti-rich instead of anti-white for class based politics to work.
WillTell
Member
That is somehow comically very Jewish. Um, yeah, duh, of course they are religious. So what. You didn't realize that?
Blacks don't think like this Kane. Blacks don't think in terms of class. That's a White / Jewish intellectual thing from the 1900s.
Blacks only care about how rich they are relative to the envied and hated "Whitey." Blacks couldn't give a damn about being anti-rich. They literally worship any artist who designs shoes if he can earn a few billions. Blacks don't have solidarity with poor Whites on a class basis. They never will. As long as there is a "whitey" beneath them they are happy. As long as there is a "whitey" above them ( in their limited perception ) they are unhappy.
kanethenotorious
Phoron
I realized it but I overlooked it at first. It's a bigger point of division than I thought. Religious Zionists are indeed religious extremists. I'm not Jewish by religion. I consider myself Deist now. That means I think all "revealed" religion is man made.
Empress Cheesatine
Your Swabian Empress
What's the link to the old Phora archive? I lost it.
The archive is futzed due to some kinda technical issue I havent been able to figure out
The problem isnt with the database I dont think, it was read-only, and backups havent worked either.
One day it was working, the next it wasnt. I tried different PHP versions, reinstalling software, etc, nothing worked.
A couple of other people have copies, mayb someone else can get it working
Macrobius
Megaphoron
I will see what I can do. I'm coming around to the idea that the only long-run future for 'BBS style forums' (like this one) is to create a Virtual Machine (or better a Docker container or similar) that can maintain the exact software running 'historical versions' indefinitely.
The Phora data exists in at least two 'recensions', both of which are extant at the Wayback Machine, though my experience is that source tends to 'decay' over time, just at a slower rate than 'Duh Web' itself.
I have a number of forums, both my own and others I've tended to over the years, that need this sort of thing badly.
If I succeed, I'll publish my Dockerfile (or whatever) and instructions so that persons who actually have the *database* can use it, to build a working copy. That should be sufficient to allow the more technically inclined TeXnicians of the Crust to recreate past versions, according to what the owners and membership want to do.
Of the two 'recensions', one of them is the official VB5 port that was last done in February 2020 (should be good enough for most persons wanting to 'see the Old Phora as it used to be') .. the issue there will be that putting VB5 back up on the web for public viewing requires licenses. I have a dev licence for the relevant versions, and so do others, but it would have be behind a paywall or password, and not 'linkable' to any random browser on any continent on the 'Live Web 2.5'
The other is Kane's bootleg version, which has most of the old data from the mid 2010s that has been ported to non-proprietary format. This might actually be the best long term version. Of course, if someone wants to do the *hard* work of porting the official VB5 version (or XF2 version for that matter) to something that will endure longer term, and Flak agrees to the plan, I'll be happy to assist, to the extent I can.
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Empress Cheesatine
Your Swabian Empress
Well shit. Thanks for the effort guys. I hope it works out. Don't want to lose the old place.
kanethenotorious
Phoron
The best people to consult on how thephora has changed over the years are people like me and Mazdak. We were there, then we took long hiatuses, then we came back. 14-15 year hiatus in my case. Because to people who stuck around, change was gradual, but to people who were away, all that change comes at once.
I notice people are less rude, but I also notice there's a lot less debate and different ideologies. I notice much more support for religion - before it was confined to a subforum. The Marxists in the "socialist paradise" would be considered "class reductionists" by the identity politics liberals of today - but neither are highly present on the current phora.
I learned a lot by reading thephora on my first stint even though I was trolling it.
edit: And obviously thephora was a much bigger forum back then.
I notice people are less rude, but I also notice there's a lot less debate and different ideologies. I notice much more support for religion - before it was confined to a subforum. The Marxists in the "socialist paradise" would be considered "class reductionists" by the identity politics liberals of today - but neither are highly present on the current phora.
I learned a lot by reading thephora on my first stint even though I was trolling it.
edit: And obviously thephora was a much bigger forum back then.
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The sight of hordes of fanatics clashing each others on ideologies could be entertaining,
but I prefer the current forum, that is more like a Symposium of a very few educated people
who don't talk over each others at the table;
at times allowing the irruption of a pickled Alcibiade in the scene.
And
after a period of vacation it's heartening
to find again the same persons
of good ole values
here
in this far western saloon.
(Don't mean that the Old Phora was full of fanatics)
but I prefer the current forum, that is more like a Symposium of a very few educated people
who don't talk over each others at the table;
at times allowing the irruption of a pickled Alcibiade in the scene.
And
after a period of vacation it's heartening
to find again the same persons
of good ole values
here
in this far western saloon.
(Don't mean that the Old Phora was full of fanatics)
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