“Application of the natural law varies greatly...”
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clefty
Phoron
Apparently Putin is engaging in some heresy in his application of the Law upon Ukraine
The recent major international declaration of leading Orthodox theologians has condemned the Russian world myth as a “false teaching of ethno-phyletism,” and thus as a heresy which is “profoundly un-Orthodox, un-Christian and against humanity.” Such Russian supremacism is patently racist.
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I understand Putin's appeal around here...
The recent major international declaration of leading Orthodox theologians has condemned the Russian world myth as a “false teaching of ethno-phyletism,” and thus as a heresy which is “profoundly un-Orthodox, un-Christian and against humanity.” Such Russian supremacism is patently racist.
Patriarch Kirill, the "Russian World" Myth, and Genocide
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I understand Putin's appeal around here...
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clefty
Phoron
Conservatives on Twitter were appalled Wednesday after President Joe Biden defended abortion by appealing to his natural rights as a "child of God."
One claimed that the president "just made the case against abortion" in his efforts to stump for it.
‘Devout Catholic’ Biden’s latest rhetorical blunder happened while talking to the press Wednesday when he elaborated more on his stance on the leaked Supreme Court opinion draft that seems poised to overturn Roe v. Wade.
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...Biden however does serve a god whose laws are changed by man...certainly applied differently...with great variation...
Biden can not believe his Creator has given inalienable rights for free speech, freedom of conscious, from illegal search and seizure, et al...
and the separation of church and state will only remain until his church is no longer a minority...
One claimed that the president "just made the case against abortion" in his efforts to stump for it.
‘Devout Catholic’ Biden’s latest rhetorical blunder happened while talking to the press Wednesday when he elaborated more on his stance on the leaked Supreme Court opinion draft that seems poised to overturn Roe v. Wade.
‘Devout Catholic’ Biden torched for appealing to his rights as a ‘child of God’ to justify abortion
President Biden took heat from conservatives on Wednesday for his statements defending abortion.
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...Biden however does serve a god whose laws are changed by man...certainly applied differently...with great variation...
Biden can not believe his Creator has given inalienable rights for free speech, freedom of conscious, from illegal search and seizure, et al...
and the separation of church and state will only remain until his church is no longer a minority...
clefty
Phoron
Hmmm…approving homosexuality?
Makes logical sense that those arrogant enough to think His natural law is applied with great variety should now accept homosexuality as just another variation of that application on “account of various conditions of life according to…circumstances”…
Some here even think He Himself varies on His expectations of the citizens of His kingdom…arbitrarily changing the rules and culture of His kingdom…as if some citizens do and some don’t keep His way and without variation in application due to the circumstances or the god of their belly…
His is not an apartheid state with multiple lists some longer or shorter…nor a kingdom of confusion…
They think He changes His goal posts...makes new... and yet claim "muh tradition is oldest...without change"...and any change is considered "heresy" as poor Dr Marshall here is fighting against...
Makes logical sense that those arrogant enough to think His natural law is applied with great variety should now accept homosexuality as just another variation of that application on “account of various conditions of life according to…circumstances”…
Some here even think He Himself varies on His expectations of the citizens of His kingdom…arbitrarily changing the rules and culture of His kingdom…as if some citizens do and some don’t keep His way and without variation in application due to the circumstances or the god of their belly…
His is not an apartheid state with multiple lists some longer or shorter…nor a kingdom of confusion…
They think He changes His goal posts...makes new... and yet claim "muh tradition is oldest...without change"...and any change is considered "heresy" as poor Dr Marshall here is fighting against...
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clefty
Phoron
One siren for each concerned letter…
But again the application of the Natural Law which binds men…does vary right?
And the culture of Sodom and Gomorrah didn’t even have His Law which was given “only to the joos”…and many many years later yes? Of all who argue “His way is not for me” Sodom has the best case and yet…Nineveh too “not for me” but unlike so many who claim they follow Him they did repent…
And now with this concern that His One Church has fallen into apostasy seems like change of tradition comes from all these special councils? and majority vote is the tradition?
Luther himself merely saw His Law applied variously in and by Rome…was concerned for his Church
clefty
Phoron
Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI recently weighed in on the ecclesiology of Vatican II in a letter you do not want to overlook! A copy of the letter may be found here: https://franciscan.edu/pope-emeritus-...
Macrobius
Megaphoron
Any true Orthodox Man in these parts seeing the 'Uniates' doing shit about Ecumenism will, of course, simply loose his lunch.
'The pan heresy of Ecumenism' is a thing here.
Nice try though, clefty, but sorry. No dice.
We're pretty much all on the same side here. Discuss.
Am I the only one who thinks we need Basil Fawlty/Don Quixote back here, in SPADES?
@Nikephoros II Phokas
'The pan heresy of Ecumenism' is a thing here.
Nice try though, clefty, but sorry. No dice.
We're pretty much all on the same side here. Discuss.
Am I the only one who thinks we need Basil Fawlty/Don Quixote back here, in SPADES?
@Nikephoros II Phokas
clefty
Phoron
on the same side? ummm sure...
as already at Sinai this church in the wilderness received the living oracles which included the "immigrant alien within your gates"...they of course adhering to His culture and Law...and not making His user friendlier for them...
not very ecumenical to "force" others to join His culture received at the mount...
but applying His law this variously due to woke Roman culture has had great marketing success...and now again with V2 more counter reformation success than the 500 years prior...
Any "true Orthodox Man" has also seen the need to apply His law WOKE to the sensitivities of his own nation language and culture...various churches all with equal primates...
and will kill you if you dare stray from it...the culture of the Rus church that is...not His Law...
Macrobius
Megaphoron
You fight it, yet you can't resist.[1]
I get Norway cruise lines ads when I look at this: ... Danes gonna Dane, clefty, and you are no exception. Thirteenth Warrior of the Crust, I name you.
@Nikephoros II Phokas and I and @Wodwo will make you Christian yet. Just you watch.
Lord Osmund de Ixabert
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That the enemy have infiltrated and taken over the upper échelons of the Catholic hierarchy, Team Rome would be the first to avouch. He who is opposed to the Catholic Church in its current form is against an institution that has become anti-Catholic in spirit.
A Catholic would reason not amiss, if he interpreted every evil which you associate with the present Catholic, as but another demonstration of the folly that results from the rejection of the Catholic faith. You are doing him a favour, if he sees it in the right light; you are enhancing his faith, by giving him yet more reasons to believe in the truth of the Catholic religion.
You mayn't intend it, but in all your criticisms of modern Catholicism, you are saying nothing more than this: "When the Catholic church forsakes Catholicism, this is the evil that results." And as Jesus would say, "Ye shall know them by their fruits." Well, these are the fruits of deviating from the Catholic religion. Are they bad? Yes; therefore Catholicism per se must be good.
A Catholic would reason not amiss, if he interpreted every evil which you associate with the present Catholic, as but another demonstration of the folly that results from the rejection of the Catholic faith. You are doing him a favour, if he sees it in the right light; you are enhancing his faith, by giving him yet more reasons to believe in the truth of the Catholic religion.
You mayn't intend it, but in all your criticisms of modern Catholicism, you are saying nothing more than this: "When the Catholic church forsakes Catholicism, this is the evil that results." And as Jesus would say, "Ye shall know them by their fruits." Well, these are the fruits of deviating from the Catholic religion. Are they bad? Yes; therefore Catholicism per se must be good.
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clefty
Phoron
This is His answer to you:
"Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit." Matt 7:17
This is how His brother answers you:
"Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh." James 3:12
This is how Paul answers you:
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Romans 11:17-21
This is how Catholics answer you:
I'll give you my answer as I have time and further desire...
clefty
Phoron
good question...why don't we just follow Him...His example?...love others AS He loved us...
and yes He didn't follow them their traditions but demanded reform...is why joos killed Him...
"the rules give us the freedom"...not bad kid
rules applied differently of course...and according to man's customs traditions...
to continue with the baseball game analogy he introduces...would he accept that there was once this player that played the game perfectly and therefore we don't have to keep it's rules anymore...let's claim he got rid of the rules... gave us different ones...
like the false witnessing joos did "for we have heard him say that this Nazarene, Jesus, will destroy this place and change the customs which Moses handed down to us." Acts 6:14 trying to slander Stephen
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clefty
Phoron
MSN
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"Francis’ vision for the synod is a balance of traditionalists’ love of orthodoxy and the pope’s enthusiasm for reform. Cardinal Mario Grech, secretary general of the Vatican’s synod office, told Religion News Service Wednesday (Nov. 30) that when considering expectations for the synod, “the only limit is the Word of God, understood in the light of tradition.”
That formulation, however, has caught its organizers at the Vatican between the two sides and risks disappointing both.
Addressing this polarization, Grech said that any change that will come from the synod will be inspired by the Holy Spirit, while taking into account the church’s historical beliefs. “The Spirit doesn’t speak in a vacuum, but it helps us to understand, deepen and translate the word of God in our everyday lives,” he said. “Obviously we also need a guide: how the word has been received, deepened and applied by those who came before us.
“If we use these tools, then we can be certain that we are walking down the right path,” he added."
Apparently the Holy Spirit is having a much harder time leading people to the new understanding of the translation and varied application of the word of God in everyday lives...certainly the light of tradition will help...
as with all the others...it merely takes some time and proper authorities of course for these changes to take hold...
clefty
Phoron
1957 Application of the natural law varies greatly; it can demand reflection that takes account of various conditions of life according to places, times, and circumstances. Nevertheless, in the diversity of cultures, the natural law remains as a rule that binds men among themselves and imposes on them, beyond the inevitable differences, common principles.
common principles like the common good of being poor...
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common principles like the common good of being poor...
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clefty
Phoron
so from an institution that admits:
"Application of the natural law varies greatly; it can demand reflection that takes account of various conditions of life according to places, times, and circumstances. Nevertheless, in the diversity of cultures, the natural law remains as a rule that binds men among themselves and imposes on them, beyond the inevitable differences, common principles."
we have this earlier tradition:
Mikey...you leave out the Eastern Orthodox?...which of you is fuller of the faith...or the right one?
Understandable...
Best to gain the majority here amongst the tolerant protestants FIRST...and by using the "coexisting"...by that great variation of application...
And THEN with the majority secured...apply that fullness of faith...
Things were so much easier and simpler back then right?
Luke 22:24 However, there also arose a heated dispute among them over which one of them was considered to be the greatest.
And this during the Last Supper...
At least it didn't come to blows...or drone strikes...
"Application of the natural law varies greatly; it can demand reflection that takes account of various conditions of life according to places, times, and circumstances. Nevertheless, in the diversity of cultures, the natural law remains as a rule that binds men among themselves and imposes on them, beyond the inevitable differences, common principles."
we have this earlier tradition:
Mikey...you leave out the Eastern Orthodox?...which of you is fuller of the faith...or the right one?
Understandable...
Best to gain the majority here amongst the tolerant protestants FIRST...and by using the "coexisting"...by that great variation of application...
And THEN with the majority secured...apply that fullness of faith...
Things were so much easier and simpler back then right?
Luke 22:24 However, there also arose a heated dispute among them over which one of them was considered to be the greatest.
And this during the Last Supper...
At least it didn't come to blows...or drone strikes...