Liberal and Leftist "Christian" apostates exposed and criticized

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The Polish conservatives, who are some of the most loyal right-wing supporters that the Vatican still has left, are beginning to openly grumble:


Catholic Church’s resistance to secularization and dechristianization of society is minimal

The Church, as the guardian of certain values, seems to be surrendering its role

September 05, 2022

editor: REMIX NEWS

author: DO RZECZY

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People walk by the Temple of Divine Providence, a major church in the Polish capital Warsaw.


A two-day conference titled “Limiting and transgressing religious freedom from a domestic and international perspective” took place over the weekend in Warsaw. One of the panelists at a session on religious freedom in public debate was the editor of Do Rzeczy, Paweł Lisicki.

Lisicki argued that the hierarchy of the Catholic Church was doing remarkably little to tackle the trend towards secularization and dechristianization of Polish society. As examples, he gave a Jesuit expert James Martin being cited in a court case as stating that picturing the Holy Virgin Mary in a rainbow-colored background was a legitimate form of expression, as well as Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia in the Vatican condoning the new abortion law in Italy, which makes abortion on demand widely available.

It is absurd, argued Lisicki, that the Church, as the guardian of certain values, seems to be surrendering its role. He traced the present trend to the beginning of the pontificate of Pope Francis. The Do Rzeczy editor acknowledged that the situation may not be as dramatic but did not feel that the resistance was sufficient.

There were too many clerics willing to capitulate and accommodate while those who disagree with this stance too often remain silent, he added.
Very minimal.
 

Petr

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Russell Moore: Don’t Pretend the Uganda Homosexuality Law Is Christian


June 1, 2023

Hunter Wallace

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Conservative liberalism is a horizon.

As Robert Lewis Dabney famously put it, “American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader.” It is the space that was recently occupied by progressive liberalism. In this case, conservative liberalism has moved on and become Obama era progressivism. George W. Bush era conservatism has disappeared over the horizon. It is “un-Christian” and “uncivilized.”

Christianity Today:

“In this day of social media mobs and troll-fueled extremism, it’s not unusual for a politician to be digitally attacked for being too weak and “not really one of us”—on a seemingly infinite number of topics.
Even so, one might be surprised to see Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas)—not known for repudiating the far extremes of his base—labeled on various social media platforms as soft, weak, and compromising. Some even suggested that Cruz was rejecting the Word of God itself. His radically “progressive” idea? That Uganda shouldn’t criminalize homosexuality and execute gay people.
Normally, a social media controversy is the most ephemeral of pseudo-events. People who want to be noticed post shocking and even ridiculous things (“Y’all! It’s not just Target that’s gone woke; let’s boycott Chick-fil-A too!”) to get attention, knowing they’ll be denounced and quote tweeted, which will amplify their reach. They think that retweets and followers will somehow give them the belonging and significance they crave. Often, the best course is to ignore such things in the spirit of Proverbs 26:4—“Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him.”
Sometimes, though, their kind of trolling can lead to two catastrophic ends that should concern those of us who follow Christ: the unjust killing of human beings made in the image of God and, at the same time, the bearing of false witness about what the Christian gospel actually is. …”

The states used to have “barbaric laws” that criminalized homosexuality until the Lawrence v. Texas decision in 2003. George W. Bush won the 2004 election by running on the Federal Marriage Amendment. Nearly every state including Alabama banned gay marriage in the 2000s.

Texas Tribune:

“WASHINGTON — U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, one of the most socially conservative Texans serving in Congress, told The Dallas Morning News that Texas should repeal its now-dormant law that bans gay sex.
“Consenting adults should be able to do what they wish in their private sexual activity, and government has no business in their bedrooms,” Cruz’s spokesperson told the newspaper.
The Texas Legislature passed the law decades ago. It hasn’t been enforceable since 2003, when the U.S. Supreme Court decided in a landmark ruling that it violated the Constitution. There have been regular attempts by Democrats to repeal the law since, but they have repeatedly failed in the Legislature. …”

“True Christianity,” too, is also whatever the elite liberal consensus happens to be at the moment. Even the recent past is conveniently forgotten. Homosexuality was a capital offense in Europe until well into the 19th century. It was still criminalized in the United States until twenty years ago.

 

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What a cowardly weathervane politician:


In a strange twist, one of the leading evangelical politicians in the US has joined the White House, the UN Human Rights Office, and a corporate coalition in condemning the law. “This Uganda law is horrific & wrong,” tweeted Senator Ted Cruz, a Texas Republican. “Any law criminalizing homosexuality or imposing the death penalty for ‘aggravated homosexuality’ is grotesque & an abomination. ALL civilized nations should join together in condemning this human rights abuse. #LGBTQ.” In his own country, Cruz has consistently advocated against the civil rights of gay Americans. As recently as last year, he called Obergefell v. Hodges, the Supreme Court ruling that legalized same-sex marriage nationwide, “clearly wrong” and an act of judicial overreach. (Those remarks were mild compared to his initial reaction to the 2015 decision, which he described at the time as “the very definition of tyranny” and “among the darkest hours of our nation.”)
 
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This is quite insightful - it is really just an application of Christ's principle of keeping in mind where your "true treasure" is, or what things are so precious to you that you become offended on their behalf:








I remember how I read years ago a similar point on a Kinist Christian blog, that when dealing with PC Christians you can praise Arianism or even Satanism to them, and they will still show you some civility, even though they might feel stressed - but if you show them that you openly reject the doctrine of Equality, then they will be truly scandalized, because then you are attacking their true religion.

So Christian, are you worshipping God of the Bible, or are you worshipping the idol of Equality? On whose behalf would you get more offended?

(And yes, saying "f##k Christ" should of course also be more offensive to us than saying "f##k the White people." The German Nazis, for example, made an idol of the Volk, setting it above Gott.)
 
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This Twitter parody account makes fun of the clichés used by American cuckservative/boomercon Christians:


Like here, the "apolitical" stance of such boomer churchians who just apathetically watch their society sinking to hell around them masquerades as spiritual high-mindedness, but is actually motivated by hedonistic materialistic selfishness:



 

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Those who know their Bible know that this is a rather wicked parody of the worldview of dhimmi Christians - those who do not want to challenge the dominant liberal world system in any "secular" or "worldly" manner, and thus try to make a spiritual virtue out of total lack of Christian political power:

 
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Jimmy Carter is a Christian but Democrat. Bill Clinton was known for quoting the Bible. I don't think the Democrat Party is truly a leftist party, but that's another debate. It's a "big tent" party that includes some leftists.
 

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Jimmy Carter is a Christian but Democrat. Bill Clinton was known for quoting the Bible. I don't think the Democrat Party is truly a leftist party, but that's another debate. It's a "big tent" party that includes some leftists.

I do not mean to sound overly judgmental, but just about all "pre-modern" Christians would have agreed that this opinion alone would be enough to disqualify Jimmy Carter from being a "real Christian" - attributing a vile, immoral position on Christ (which is acting like an idolater, turning your God into the image of your own sinful self; "since I am OK with queers, Jesus must be OK with them too"):


The person who approves or in any way praises homosexuality cannot be genuine Christian. Simple as that.
 
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I got this piece via Mundabor:


We have here indeed a really brazen case of shitlib clerical parasites - people who have nothing but contempt towards traditional Romanist dogma, but still try to act holier-than-thou towards AfD supporters. This AfD representative Maximilian Krah is himself a trad-Cat, so he knows exactly what kind of scum he is dealing with here:


ZdK v. AfD: A new battle line in the German Church
LUKE COPPEN​
September 6, 2023 . 5:49 PM​
A prominent German lay leader has provoked debate with a call for members of a surging hard-right political party to be excluded from holding Church offices.
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Irme Stetter-Karp, president of the Central Committee of German Catholics (ZdK), speaks during a February 2022 assembly of Germany’s synodal way. © Synodaler Weg/Maximilian von Lachner.
Irme Stetter-Karp, president of the Central Committee of German Catholics (ZdK), made the appeal in an Aug. 15 interview with Kirche und Leben, the online magazine of the Diocese of Münster.​
She said that members of the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party should not be allowed to hold lay offices within the Church.
Stetter-Karp argued that the party had “moved further and further to the right” since it was founded 10 years ago and “it is clear that anti-Semitic, racist, inhumane attitudes and statements have no place in a Catholic organization.”
“Active support for the AfD contradicts the basic values of Christianity,” she said.​
The interview was conducted after the AfD rose to a new high of 21% in opinion polls, meaning that it would be the country’s second-strongest party, behind the center-right Christian democratic CDU/CSU, in the event of a federal election.​
Stetter-Karp’s remarks prompted a swift backlash from AfD members.​
Maximilian Krah, a Catholic who represents the AfD in the European Parliament (a legislative body of the European Union), strongly criticized the ZdK, Germany’s most influential lay group and a driving force behind the country’s controversial “synodal way.
The ‘Central Committee of Catholics’ … does not emerge from elections at all, but is a club of functionaries who mostly live full-time from church taxes, are unemployable on the first job market, and therefore hate themselves, the Church, and the faith,” Krah wrote Aug. 16 on X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter.
Stetter-Karp clarified, in comments to Bayerischer Rundfunk, that by “offices” she meant all positions within Germany’s expansive world of Catholic associations, from parish councils to daycare centers.​
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Germany is not the only European country where far-right political parties are perceived to be making inroads among Catholic voters.​
Spain’s Vox party, also founded in 2013, has sought to appeal to the country’s Catholics with its rejection of abortion and euthanasia. But its success has prompted concern among bishops’ conference officials, particularly for its opposition to immigration.​
According to the Catholic newspaper La Croix, 40% of practicing Catholics voted for the extreme right in the first round of France’s 2022 presidential election, compared to a national average of 32%.
Italy, meanwhile, has its most right-wing government since the Second World War following the triumph of Giorgia Meloni and her Brothers of Italy party in last September’s general election. Meloni, who promised to “defend God, country, and family,” is believed to have secured the votes of many Catholics.​
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Stetter-Karp told Kirche und Leben that the current situation in Germany was dangerous.​
“Anyone who looks closely has been observing for some time that not only do populist simple answers to complex challenges catch on, but that trust in democratic parties and processes is also being eroded step by step,” she said.​
“2024, with the European elections and the elections in Brandenburg, Saxony, and Thuringia, will be a litmus test as to whether the seeds of right-wing forces will take root. All democratic parties are now called upon to actively tackle the competition for the trust of the population and to actively prevent AfD participation in government.”​
Stetter-Karp renewed her call for a ban on AfD members holding Church posts in an Aug. 31 interview with the Christ & Welt supplement of Die Zeit newspaper.​
“My position is clear: Whoever is in the AfD must not be given power in the Church,” she said.​
She also said that no elected AfD officials would be invited to speak at next year’s Katholikentag (Catholics Day) in the party’s stronghold of Erfurt.​
“In the Catholic Church, extreme right-wing tones are becoming louder and shriller. Even members of our Church increasingly represent restorationist points of view, want to emphasize the traditional, and are susceptible to agitation from the right,” she commented.
Writing for the Catholic weekly Die Tagespost, journalist Sebastian Sasse argued that Stetter-Karp’s reference to restorationist tendencies in the Church showed the “actual thrust” of her comments.​
“So that’s what it’s all about: The ZdK president wants to pillory her Church-political opponents, the critics of the synodal way,” he wrote.​
“By linking these critics with AfD supporters, she is proving to be an unwilling PR agent for the party.”​
 
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This notion that "the Kingdom of God has no borders," is one of those misleading statements - things you think are in the Bible, but really aren't.

A famous example of this sort of error is the idea that "God helps those who help themselves." It is not in the Bible, and if taken literally, would actually lead to serious heresy, promoting the crudest kind of Pelagian works-righteousness and self-righteousness, earning or achieving your own salvation:


Although the saying "God helps those who help themselves" sounds pious and spiritual, it is not in the Bible. Its earliest appearance (around 620-564 B.C.) seems to be from one of Aesop's fables—Hercules and the Waggoner.

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Much in the same manner, if taken literally, this kind of "not in the Bible" anti-borders tripe would quickly lead to anti-Christ one-world Babelism, as well as sheer chaos-cult Gnosticism (for a world without borders is a world without order, a world of chaos, tohu wa-bohu). In addition, of course, of making all nationalist-minded people detest Christianity:


BY JMSMITH

There are Borders Even in the Kingdom of God

“Any true follower of Jesus knows that borders are abolished in the Kingdom of God . . .”
Letter to the Editor, The Eagle [Bryan-College Station, Texas] (Aug. 19, 2023)
“And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God . . . and [it] had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates . . . . And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it . . . . And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie . . .”
Revelation 21: 10-27.
If the apostle whom Jesus loved is to be trusted, borders are in fact not abolished in the Kingdom of God. St. John in fact tells us that God’s kingdom is ringed by a mighty wall and secured by mighty gates. And within that wall, behind those gates, the saints retain their national identities and erstwhile magistrates retain the honor and glory of their secular offices. If the correspondent to my local newspaper would momentarily set aside his saccharine sanctimony, and turn to the first page of his Bible, he would discover that God created the world with borders, and that when He had ordered the formless mass of tohu and bohu with borders, God declared that his very far from borderless creation was good.
 
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Another churchian announces himself a proudly submissive subject of Zeitgeist:





They professed to venerate the dead, but would not receive the living; they reverenced Abraham and Moses, but were about to murder the Christ to whom patriarch and prophet bore witness. Commentators quote the old adage, herein exemplified, "Sit licet divus, dummodo non vivus."
 
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