What Exactly Happened on Holy Sabbath Day

[clefty]

Macrobius offered this in the SB:

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The River of Fire Copyright 1980 St. Nectarios Press THE RIVER OF FIRE by ALEXANDRE KALOMIROS As presented at the 1980 ORTHODOX CONFERENCE sponsored by St. Nectarios American Orthodox Church Seattle, Washington A reply to the questions: (1) Is God really good? (2) Did God create hell? + In the...

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…seems like what is missed is that Adam and Eve were banned from the garden and specifically barred from the tree of life that sustained them so that in having become “like one of Us” they shouldn’t live forever:

Gen 3:22 “And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”…well that idea they should live forever in their rebellion was unacceptable…and so they were kicked out.

Imagine a disobedient rebellious uncircumcised heart beating forever…forever rotting decaying diminishing… forever tortured and tormented rejecting Him His times and laws…

Instead barred to the tree of life they died being mortals…

Such Mercy…such Grace…

and yet now here He changes and allows and sustains the torture and torment of mere mortals to continue forever?

 

[clefty]

Why have the rebellious die at all?

Imagine wut a witness…worship aid…living ikon these self torturing self flagellating rebels would be…

A true testimony of “do you really want to not follow holy traditions?”

 

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Hell and the Cultural Evolution of Christianity

The traditional view of hell as eternal conscious torment is challenged by proponents of universalism and conditional immortality. However, they need to explain why the church has been misled in ad...

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“It seems, then, that the doctrine of hell played a crucial role in helping the Christian movement to grow and flourish. Now, we still need to explain why a particular concept of hell—eternal conscious torment—proved to be more successful than its competitors. After all, universalism and annihilation also include the idea of an afterlife punishment.

Let me suggest a few other possible reasons why everlasting hell had the upper hand. Belief in an immortal soul may have given the doctrine a cognitive advantage over the idea of annihilation.”

So before we discuss the varied views of hell we must determine if man was indeed able to live without access to the Tree of Life.

Or because man was not created immortal there is dependence on the Tree of Life and is why he on being disobedient was barred access to it. To die. Perish. And not in a constant state of tortured perishing.

And even in the world of all things made new (having come down from Heaven) man will still not have become eternal but will have merely “put on” immortality.

And not having become immortal there needs still to be a Tree of Life with 12 fruits to eat…yielding one for every month.

 

[clefty]

So we see that in paganism the devil succeeded in creating a universal belief that men were gods and so did not need God. This is why pride was so high in Greece and why humility was inconceivable. In his work The Nichomachean Ethics, Aristotle writes the following words: “Not to resent offenses is the mark of a base and slavish man.” The man who is convinced by the devil to believe in the error that his soul is eternal by nature, can never be humble and can never really believe in God, because he does not need God, being God himself, as his error makes him believe.

This is why, from the very first, the Fathers of the Church, understanding the danger of this stupid error, warned the Christians of the fact that, as Saint Irenaeus puts it: “The teaching that the human soul is naturally immortal is from the devil” (Proof of the Apostolic Preaching, III, 20. 1). We find the same warning in Saint Justin (Dialogue with Trypho 6. 1-2), in Theophilus of Antioch (To Autolycus 2. 97), in Tatian (To the Greeks 13), etc.

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It is this pagan way of thought that was mixed with the Christian teaching by the various heresies. This is what happened in the West, too. They began to distinguish not between God and His creation, but between spirit and matter. 30They began to think of the soul of man as of something eternal in itself, and began to consider the condition of man after death not as a sleep in the hands of God, but as the real life of man, 31 to which the resurrection of the dead had nothing to add and even the need of the resurrection was doubtful.

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The River of Fire Copyright 1980 St. Nectarios Press THE RIVER OF FIRE by ALEXANDRE KALOMIROS As presented at the 1980 ORTHODOX CONFERENCE sponsored by St. Nectarios American Orthodox Church Seattle, Washington A reply to the questions: (1) Is God really good? (2) Did God create hell? + In the...

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proud men seek to change both His times and Law..."I will be like the Most High"

 

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"A number of ancient civilizations, including those of Mesopotamia, India, Egypt and Greece, held as part of their mythology the concept of an underworld—the realm of the dead. The first-century-B.C.E. Greek geographer and philosopher Strabo discussed the value of such myths, noting that “the states and the lawgivers had sanctioned them as a useful expedient.” He went on to explain that people “are deterred from evil courses when, either through descriptions or through typical representations of objects unseen, they learn of divine punishments, terrors, and threats.” In dealing with the unruly, reason or exhortation alone is not enough, wrote Strabo; “there is need of religious fear also, and this cannot be aroused without myths and marvels. . . . The founders of states gave their sanction to these things as bugbears wherewith to scare the simple-minded” (Geography 1.2.8)."

Hell: Origins of an Idea

Belief in everlasting punishment in a blazing inferno is almost as old as humanity itself. But is it based on the Bible’s teachings? What is hell?

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"...and the lie can only be maintained by violence. Any man who has once proclaimed violence as his method is inevitably forced to take the lie as his principle."

Alexander Solzhenitsyn​