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If one doesn't wish to keep the First Commandment in its entirety why would he want to keep the Second...Third...or Fourth...?
John the Damascus:
"Moses said to all the assembly of the children of Israel: This is the word the Lord hath commanded, saying: Set aside with you first fruits to the Lord. Let every one that is willing and hath a ready heart, offer them to the Lord, gold, and silver, and brass, violet, and purple, and scarlet twice dyed, and fine linen, goat's hair, and ram's skins died red and violet, coloured skins, selim-wood, and oil to maintain lights and to make ointment, and most sweet incense, onyx stones, and precious stones for the adorning of the ephod and the rational. Whosoever of you is wise, let him come, and make that which the Lord hath commanded." (Ex. 35.4–10) See you here the glorification of matter which you make inglorious. What is more insignificant than goat's hair or colours? Are not scarlet and purple and hyacinth colours? Now, consider the handiwork of man becoming the likeness of the cherubim. How, then, can you make the law a pretence for giving up what it orders? If you invoke it against images, you should keep the Sabbath, and practise circumcision. It is certain that "if you observe the law, Christ will not profit you. You who are justified in the law, you are fallen from grace." (Gal. 5.2–4) Israel of old did not see God, but "we see the Lord's glory face to face." (II Cor. 3.18) (pg. 7)
Either reject the honor and worship of all these things, or conform to ecclesiastical tradition, sanctifying the worship of images in the name of God and of God's friends, and so obeying the grace of the Divine Spirit. If you give up images on account of the law, you should also keep the Sabbath and be circumcised, for these are severely inculcated by it. (p.24)
John seems to think since one joo was given orders and even skills to make the cherubim...everybody can disregard the Law...and make for themselves cherubim...
Luther:
"As I said above,the law of Moses, strictly interpreted, does not forbid crucifixes nor images of the saints, which as a matter of fact are useful and commendable, as a remembrance and a sign. In any case only that portion of the Ten Commandments is now binding which enshrines the natural law: "Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery,"etc. But not the injunctions as to the Sabbath. If Carlstadt keeps on, he will have us observing Sunday on Saturday. "Luther: Against the Heavenly Prophets with Regard to Images and the Sacraments" Feb 1525
Poor Luther also feels that because one can make an image one should...to be useful...those Germans...lol
Carlstadt did keep the Sabbath...and as properly understood...not to become justified but because he already was...
and not by the work of human hands...but by Truth and Spirit
It makes sense that both John Damascus and Luther recalled His Sabbath since later in the script these two of the 10 words are actually laid down side by side for His people…yet again.
Leviticus 26:1-2: “Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary.”
John the Damascus:
"Moses said to all the assembly of the children of Israel: This is the word the Lord hath commanded, saying: Set aside with you first fruits to the Lord. Let every one that is willing and hath a ready heart, offer them to the Lord, gold, and silver, and brass, violet, and purple, and scarlet twice dyed, and fine linen, goat's hair, and ram's skins died red and violet, coloured skins, selim-wood, and oil to maintain lights and to make ointment, and most sweet incense, onyx stones, and precious stones for the adorning of the ephod and the rational. Whosoever of you is wise, let him come, and make that which the Lord hath commanded." (Ex. 35.4–10) See you here the glorification of matter which you make inglorious. What is more insignificant than goat's hair or colours? Are not scarlet and purple and hyacinth colours? Now, consider the handiwork of man becoming the likeness of the cherubim. How, then, can you make the law a pretence for giving up what it orders? If you invoke it against images, you should keep the Sabbath, and practise circumcision. It is certain that "if you observe the law, Christ will not profit you. You who are justified in the law, you are fallen from grace." (Gal. 5.2–4) Israel of old did not see God, but "we see the Lord's glory face to face." (II Cor. 3.18) (pg. 7)
Either reject the honor and worship of all these things, or conform to ecclesiastical tradition, sanctifying the worship of images in the name of God and of God's friends, and so obeying the grace of the Divine Spirit. If you give up images on account of the law, you should also keep the Sabbath and be circumcised, for these are severely inculcated by it. (p.24)
John seems to think since one joo was given orders and even skills to make the cherubim...everybody can disregard the Law...and make for themselves cherubim...
Luther:
"As I said above,the law of Moses, strictly interpreted, does not forbid crucifixes nor images of the saints, which as a matter of fact are useful and commendable, as a remembrance and a sign. In any case only that portion of the Ten Commandments is now binding which enshrines the natural law: "Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery,"etc. But not the injunctions as to the Sabbath. If Carlstadt keeps on, he will have us observing Sunday on Saturday. "Luther: Against the Heavenly Prophets with Regard to Images and the Sacraments" Feb 1525
Poor Luther also feels that because one can make an image one should...to be useful...those Germans...lol
Carlstadt did keep the Sabbath...and as properly understood...not to become justified but because he already was...
and not by the work of human hands...but by Truth and Spirit
It makes sense that both John Damascus and Luther recalled His Sabbath since later in the script these two of the 10 words are actually laid down side by side for His people…yet again.
Leviticus 26:1-2: “Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary.”
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