"You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything..."

clefty

Phoron
If one doesn't wish to keep the First Commandment in its entirety why would he want to keep the Second...Third...or Fourth...?

John the Damascus:

"Moses said to all the assembly of the children of Israel: This is the word the Lord hath commanded, saying: Set aside with you first fruits to the Lord. Let every one that is willing and hath a ready heart, offer them to the Lord, gold, and silver, and brass, violet, and purple, and scarlet twice dyed, and fine linen, goat's hair, and ram's skins died red and violet, coloured skins, selim-wood, and oil to maintain lights and to make ointment, and most sweet incense, onyx stones, and precious stones for the adorning of the ephod and the rational. Whosoever of you is wise, let him come, and make that which the Lord hath commanded." (Ex. 35.4–10) See you here the glorification of matter which you make inglorious. What is more insignificant than goat's hair or colours? Are not scarlet and purple and hyacinth colours? Now, consider the handiwork of man becoming the likeness of the cherubim. How, then, can you make the law a pretence for giving up what it orders? If you invoke it against images, you should keep the Sabbath, and practise circumcision. It is certain that "if you observe the law, Christ will not profit you. You who are justified in the law, you are fallen from grace." (Gal. 5.2–4) Israel of old did not see God, but "we see the Lord's glory face to face." (II Cor. 3.18) (pg. 7)

Either reject the honor and worship of all these things, or conform to ecclesiastical tradition, sanctifying the worship of images in the name of God and of God's friends, and so obeying the grace of the Divine Spirit. If you give up images on account of the law, you should also keep the Sabbath and be circumcised, for these are severely inculcated by it. (p.24)


John seems to think since one joo was given orders and even skills to make the cherubim...everybody can disregard the Law...and make for themselves cherubim...

Luther:

"As I said above,the law of Moses, strictly interpreted, does not forbid crucifixes nor images of the saints, which as a matter of fact are useful and commendable, as a remembrance and a sign. In any case only that portion of the Ten Commandments is now binding which enshrines the natural law: "Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery,"etc. But not the injunctions as to the Sabbath. If Carlstadt keeps on, he will have us observing Sunday on Saturday. "Luther: Against the Heavenly Prophets with Regard to Images and the Sacraments" Feb 1525

Poor Luther also feels that because one can make an image one should...to be useful...those Germans...lol

Carlstadt did keep the Sabbath...and as properly understood...not to become justified but because he already was...

and not by the work of human hands...but by Truth and Spirit

It makes sense that both John Damascus and Luther recalled His Sabbath since later in the script these two of the 10 words are actually laid down side by side for His people…yet again.

Leviticus 26:1-2: “Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary.”
 
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clefty

Phoron
Reminder:

Douay-Rheims Bible
2 Kings 18:4 He destroyed the high places, and broke the statues in pieces, and cut down the groves, and broke the brazen serpent, which Moses had made: for till that time the children of Israel burnt incense to it: and he called its name Nohestan.

Nothing there about Israel worshipping it...bowing to it…serving it…or it being another god…or it replacing Yah…

but that it was destroyed merely for having incense burnt to it...
 
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White Swan

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Polygamy introduced a problem, through resolving a problem. Namely, enabling Nights of Daggers, when a group of similar gender begins to conspire
I am interested in what you mean by the first sentence of your response, seems thematically consistent to me.

I had to look up the second part of your statement; I only found "the Night of the Long Knives" which could be synonymous with night of the daggers which you reference. I did a very precursory search, and am at a loss for what you mean by bringing it up here. Could you please explain what connection you are drawing?

And also, what is your opinion then of Rohm? (If I am interpreting your reference correctly as pertaining to the apparently famed Night of the Long Knives?)
 

White Swan

Member
I prefer to rely on conclusions reached by rational consideration of my empirical observations (rather than my feelings and personal opinions). These conclusions lead me to be in agreement with Aristotle about the nature of God, the prime mover, a perfect entity incapable of doing evil.
This is a major point of contention in the Christian world.

One one hand, some propose that God cannot do evil, and thus evil must be an entity unknown to God, which presents dualism; This concept is very interwoven with the most vehement opposition to Christianity, that is gnostics (which are without a doubt fully adhered to the pharisees, Edomites of Esau, with their ancient ties to Egypt, the birth place of gnosticism).

On the other hand, the denomination most distant from the Vatican (the Vatican being in league with these pharisitical edomites, evidenced by their worship of "the queen of heaven" along with their anti-biblical sentiments) sees the argument against evil as that of a sovereign God using evil itself as a means to an end, essentially. Us protestants who see the Vatican for what it is, reject dualism and thus embrace a fully sovereign God, and with that, predestination, which allows for the temporary use of evil, even by God, as for a greater good which is often beyond human comprehension. (I could expound more if this is a true point of continention for you).

To put it simply, I agree that God cannot do evil, but the absence of God IS evil, as complete union with God is goodness/perfection. Here in this realm we have the absence of God, and thus evil. Not a complete absence, as again, he is all sovereign and all knowing, but his relative absence even causes what is the great chaos that we know.

Protestantism may seem to be a later form of Christianity as opposed to the "apostolic" Vatican, but make no mistake, the protestant movement with its return of the scripture to the people, is closer to the true form once practiced by our progenitors. Aristotle would agree with the true form of Christianity- There is a reason the "jewish" pharisees hated the disciples for preaching in a way that seemed to validate the Greek philosophies, namely that of the "logos". It is the same reason the Edomite pharisees worried amongst themselves, "does he intend to go preach among the lost of the house of Jacob/Israel, in GREECE?

King Herod, who famously saught to kill our kinsmen redeemer as a newborn, was an Edomite, most of the "jews" at that time who populated Judea were Edomites (historically documented), the pharisees in charge were Edomites (meaning, of Esau). Esau lost his birthright and his descendants were prophecied to give Jacob's descendants strife due to this all the way up until "the Age of Esau, which is the end of the world, but the age of Jacob follows and lasts forever". The bankers of today are the exact descendants of the money changers Jesus chased out of the temple with whips. Our televangelists, news media, Hollywood- almost all "jewish", descendants of the very pharisees who cried, "crucify him, crucify him, let his blood be on our hands and on our descendant's hands!". Not to mention the statesmen who had infiltrated the Judean government, note how much our governments (and even their advisors) are made up of "Israeli" dual citizens and "Jews"? Do you know who has been kicked out of 109 countries for pushing satanic transgenderism and pedophilia everywhere they go? Tel Aviv is known as the pedophile capital of the world. Ever heard of epSTEIN? winSTEIN? Do you see the connection between those most agregous evil-doers and those who killed Jesus?

This is the same reason for the momentous genocide against Europe. Despite the obvious media campaign against our race, why are practically no whites making themselves aware that rapidly growing groups of "jews", Muslims, Hispanics, blacks, etc. have religiously based, overt, genocidal notions towards whites including our children and elderly? Ever wonder why all the lockstep antiwhitism in the media, major corporations, world governments? We are seeing the fruition of the prophecy of the Age of Esau, when:

"the peoples will think they are doing good to kill God's people".

"Esau shall break the yoke of Jacob and turn to enslave him"

"The Age of Esau is the end of the world, but the Age of Jacob follows and lasts forever."

We were prophecied not only to lose our land but our identity, full blown exile. All should see this identity, yet by prophecy they do not; Only one race can even digest milk, let alone be promised a land "flowing with milk" off which to live. The Bible said that Israel would spread the gospel across the world, and the only people who can consume milk happened to do just that. So it's actually quite intuitive who the lost tribes would be, and modern Israelis cannot digest milk btw. They did not write that which exposes them, and those who are known to teach that ridiculous idea are that of them, the likes of Adam Green-stein who count on you never hearing:

"I know the lies of those who say they are Jewish and are not but are of the synagogue of satan" (= imposters)

"I came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel"

"All of creation groans waiting for Israel to be redeemed"

"Go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel"

"James, to the 12 tribes scattered abroad, greetings." (Written to Greeks)

The pharisees worried amongst themselves, "does he intend to preach to the dispersed of Israel, in Greece?"

Only one nation has inherited the blessings given to Jacob/Israel. Who has owned the seaports of their enemies (for example)?

The Migrations of The Israelites:

(Explore this channel)

White Genocide Explained By Its Architects:

Edom seeking to steal the birthright, just as one prince kills his brother to steal the birthright to the throne of their father:

See this, then tell me what issues you have with the Bible (of edomite interpretations all too well known to our people) and I will be glad to sort it out with you.
 

White Swan

Member
Reminder:

Douay-Rheims Bible
2 Kings 18:4 He destroyed the high places, and broke the statues in pieces, and cut down the groves, and broke the brazen serpent, which Moses had made: for till that time the children of Israel burnt incense to it: and he called its name Nohestan.

Nothing there about Israel worshipping it...bowing to it…serving it…or it being another god…or it replacing Yah…

but that it was destroyed merely for having incense burnt to it...
It was a foreshadowing of christ, who was made sin though he had not sinned and raised on a pole.
 

Gawn Chippin

Arachnocronymic Metaphoron
... what is your opinion then of Rohm? (If I am interpreting your reference correctly as pertaining to the apparently famed Night of the Long Knives?)
Do you mean, Fatboy Ernie? Supposedly, "his" "Night of the Long Knives" was the result of the SS organizing a power monopoly, using Röhm's alleged on a notorious level homosexuality to disband the entire SA

iu
 

clefty

Phoron
It was a foreshadowing of christ, who was made sin though he had not sinned and raised on a pole.
yes...ok...

And many of Israel are STILL burning incense to His material "flesh and blood" and insisting “Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of on to possess the nails...I will not believe"

Seeking healing or further material prosperity whether through crusades (to save the land as if it is holy)...relics and rituals...or bloodlines.

Even now Israel is still choosing to bow and serve an image they made of Him rather than to BE a true witness and example of Him His ways...to actually live as He did.

Sadly it is man's tradition...known as idolatry...



it remains “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
 
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clefty

Phoron
Here is yet another clever attempt to "outflank" the proscription handed down at Sinai to this "church in the wilderness" as Stephen called it.


"The Prophet Ezekiel is clear: the second commandment was written in reference to Egyptian gods and idols specifically, as Israel was brought out of the land of Egypt after a long period of captivity. This commandment was not a generalized declaration as is commonly presented by the Reformed tradition and many others, but a specific decree pertaining to Egyptian god worship, of which the Jews were regularly guilty of and just delivered by God from." Ibid.

So not only were these 10 descriptions "10 words" (of what a citizen of His kingdom looks like) merely "just for da joos" but only about Egyptian gods.

Again:

"This commandment isn’t referencing a generalized prohibition on any and every image, but on Egyptian idols/gods specifically." ibid

Yup I checked again and the author did correctly quote "You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything"

But as usual heated imaginations take over...and he insists it's "You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything Egyptian"

Happily there are yet other texts we still have to discuss...to help us see more clearly the matter...
 
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clefty

Phoron

15 For a father, consumed with grief at an untimely bereavement,
made an image of his child, who had been suddenly taken from him;
he now honored as a god what was once a dead human being,
and handed on to his dependents secret rites and initiations.
16 Then the ungodly custom, grown strong with time, was kept as a law,
and at the command of monarchs carved images were worshiped.
17 When people could not honor monarchs[a] in their presence, since they lived at a distance,
they imagined their appearance far away,
and made a visible image of the king whom they honored,
so that by their zeal they might flatter the absent one as though present.
18 Then the ambition of the artisan impelled
even those who did not know the king to intensify their worship.
19 For he, perhaps wishing to please his ruler,
skillfully forced the likeness to take more beautiful form,
20 and the multitude, attracted by the charm of his work,
now regarded as an object of worship the one whom shortly before they had honored as a human being.
21 And this became a hidden trap for humankind,
because people, in bondage to misfortune or to royal authority,
bestowed on objects of stone or wood the name that ought not to be shared.


So it seems images are made to bring close that which is NOT near.

Except He is already with us no?
 

White Swan

Member
I take it that you are a member of some sort of British israelite or Christian Identity movement?
Take it that I see what is happening now has been prophecied. CI is not a centralized movement, and it's adherents are not members. It's simply time for us to see and some of us are seeing.
 

White Swan

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Polygami assures an uninterrupted sex life. The drawback from that is the opening of a conspiratorial window of opportunity, if or once wives organize
As much as polygamy provides sex for some it takes away from others. You get an underclass of unmarried men, which you don't want. You also get women who are unsatisfied by their husband's constantly divided attention. You get unhealthy infighting amongst half siblings. You get decadence and perversion that always becomes mongrelizing (Ex. Soloman). The main patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, jacob) were one woman kind of men, and whenever they were forced or coerced out of that they became excellent examples of why not to do it. Abraham listening to Sarah to take Hagar is why we have Ishmaelites (muslims). Jacob had a terrible time dealing with Rachel and Leah's bickering, not to mention the rape of Rachel's handmaid on behalf of Leah's first born in order to cut off the maternal line of Rachel. It's a mess. Yet the birthright blessing was given to the offspring of the one wife that Jacob chose. That's why God has one "wife", one people, Israel, and why the marriage won't occur until all 12 lost tribes are mended back into one staff at the end of the world. Monogamy has produced the best societies in history, and every biblical example is clearly there to reinforce The Way, certainly not to contradict it.

Just as the serpent on the pole reinforced that there is no proper use of idols to humanity. Aside from the points already brought up on that, btw, also consider how the cure to a snake bite is an anti-venom derived from the venom of the snake itself and you can apply that here as well as to many examples of evil. (May need to note that the reason for the snake on the pole was to cure those who had been bitten by the feiry serpents released on rebellious Israel). Also think of how the offspring of the serpent were to bite the heel of the offspring of the children of God, thus evil comes upon us in order to produce the needed antivenom.
 

Gawn Chippin

Arachnocronymic Metaphoron
...Abraham listening to Sarah to take Hagar is why we have Ishmaelites (muslims)...
Islam began after 600 years of Christian existance. If anything, Hagar's pregnancy was responsible for branching out the Semitic race to initiate a parallel Bedouin breed of which is presently in continual conflict with the initial Semitic race

...the offspring of the serpent were to bite the heel of the offspring...
A grim reminder of White slave traders's present-day exheritance

...the rape of Rachel's handmaid...
This was common practice, also within monogamous relationships. Given that polygami traditionally was reserved to the more affluent in society, involuntary concubinatry was and still is, to a minimized degree, mostly an opportunity for otherwise monogamous males to take
 
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White Swan

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Islam began after 600 years of Christian existance. If anything, Hagar's pregnancy was responsible for branching out the Semitic race to initiate a parallel Bedouin breed of which is presently in continual conflict with the initial Semitic race


A grim reminder of White slave traders's present-day exheritance


This was common practice, also within monogamous relationships. Given that polygami traditionally was reserved to the more affluent in society, involuntary concubinatry was and still is, to a minimized degree, mostly an opportunity for otherwise monogamous males to take
You want to play semantics? I'm talking about the majority of the Arab world, which is now Muslim. I quote their own ideology, which is that they are Ishmaelites from Ishamel, the son of Abraham and Hagar, and that they want to win the birthright back that was given instead to Isaac, the firstborn of his wife Sarah, who they know is the European peoples, which is why they want to eliminate Europeans from the earth, so that in their minds they are the forerunners for the birthright aside from Esau ("jews") who also want the birthright back from Jacob (Isaac's son) and who they also plan to exterminate once they are done using them as a stepping stool to do so since they (Edomites of Esau) are the most vigilant Jacob/Israelite hunters after the same birthright, while Esau ("jews") do the same but vise versa.

"White slave traders". What are you talking about???

Lastly, a man with one "wife" plus concubines is not monogamy. Why would you equate the two when it doesn't make sense to and when said response is not even applicable to the discussion at hand?
 

Gawn Chippin

Arachnocronymic Metaphoron
It's not monogamy in a cerimonial sense, given that these mostly unwilling concubines have neither been bonded through altar sanctity nor whose bond has been registered after a secular public engagement
"White slave traders". What are you talking about???
Are you implying that all slave traders were Foreskinners?
...Esau ("jews") who also want the birthright back from Jacob (Isaac's son) and who they also plan to exterminate...
If they were to start in their own ranks, through culling out the Mischlings among their tribe, there wouldn't be many left of them
...I'm talking about the majority of the Arab world, which is now Muslim...
Is it any wonder that such a cult would be the preference of such ilk? Islam for the brown, Catholicism for the Latin and the Magyar, Eastern Orthodoxy for the Greek and Slav and Evangelism for the Nordic
 
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White Swan

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It's not monogamy in a cerimonial sense, given that these mostly unwilling concubines have neither been bonded through altar sanctity nor whose bond has been registered after a secular public engagement

Are you implying that all slave traders were Foreskinners?

If they were to start in their own ranks, through culling out the Mischlings among their tribe, there wouldn't be many left of them
Exactly, it's not monogamy. We all know if you're getting extra on the side you are not monogamous. The Spirit of monogamy is of pure sexuality; Any sexual degeneracy at all leads to full sexual degeneracy including polygamy, homosexuality, mongrelization, beastiality, and yes eventually even pedophila as these are all forms of hypersexuality, which is why it is put that any leavening at all leavens the entire loaf. I make bread, I know that just a tiny pinch of leavening will result in the entire loaf being leavened.

I am implying that whites are not to be branded as slave traders given the relative occurrence of white slave trading. What exactly are you implying?

And the ones on top are the ones I am talking about, who are the "purest" of them, but they don't really care how mixed they are to a certain extent because they know their "race" splintered from the birthright race through hittites, who were mixed. They just know that if not one pure Israelite is left that they would theoretically have the birthright, just as one prince kills his brother to steal the birthright to the throne of their father. PS. Note that Esau and Jacob are twins.
 

Gawn Chippin

Arachnocronymic Metaphoron
...I am implying that whites are not to be branded as slave traders given the relative occurrence of white slave trading...
I wasn't referring to international slave trading. My comment was to focus on the aftermath of the historically hemispherically American malidiction
...Any sexual degeneracy at all leads to full sexual degeneracy including polygamy, homosexuality, mongrelization, beastiality, and yes eventually even pedophila as these are all forms of hypersexuality...
As a female, it's not possible for you to understand the male libido. Your statement is the equivalent of the mythical claim that hemp is the initial intoxicant ascentual to addiction of other forms of mind-altering substances. Hypersexuality, polygami, heterosexual pedophilia beginning at a certain level of maturity (Epstein types sex offenders often excuse such behavior with adult unavailability) and even mongelization can certainly get stamped onto the coin's equivalent side. But to connect hypersexuality to these other abominations mentioned is purely nonsensical
 
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White Swan

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I wasn't referring to international slave trading. My comment was to focus on the aftermath of the historically hemispherically American malidiction

As a female, it's not possible for you to understand the male libido. Your statement is the equivalent of the mythical claim that hemp is the initial intoxicant ascentual to addiction of other forms of mind-altering substances. Hypersexuality, polygami and even mongelization can certainly get stamped onto the coin's equivalent side. But to connect hypersexuality to these other abominations mentioned is purely nonsensical
Oh, is that why it works out so well? 🤔🤣

As a male, you can't understand, due to your libido, how much power you give women when you have sex with them.
 

clefty

Phoron
As much as polygamy provides sex for some it takes away from others. You get an underclass of unmarried men, which you don't want. You also get women who are unsatisfied by their husband's constantly divided attention. You get unhealthy infighting amongst half siblings. You get decadence and perversion that always becomes mongrelizing (Ex. Soloman).

Idolatry as adultery as mongrelization of the blood...leading to uncleanliness...

is true Solomon was an idolator...

the infighting amongst the siblings of Rachel and Leah continued to the point that his grandson charged them a "temple tax" to pay for all the nice houses Solomon built for his multiple wives...a substantial debt despite Solomon's wealth...

To save money from going to the temple the other tribes decided to worship Him from high places they made at home...a form of idolatry which was such an abomination blood Israel was lost forever and da joo taken into exile to Babylon as His punishment...
The main patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, jacob) were one woman kind of men, and whenever they were forced or coerced out of that they became excellent examples of why not to do it. Abraham listening to Sarah to take Hagar is why we have Ishmaelites (muslims).

you'd think after wut happened to Adam...men would stop listening...lol
Jacob had a terrible time dealing with Rachel and Leah's bickering, not to mention the rape of Rachel's handmaid on behalf of Leah's first born in order to cut off the maternal line of Rachel. It's a mess.
Yes a mess...On going discussion that it was all punishment for Rachel's hiding and stealing away her father's idols..."for the custom of women is upon me."

Yet the birthright blessing was given to the offspring of the one wife that Jacob chose. That's why God has one "wife", one people, Israel, and why the marriage won't occur until all 12 lost tribes are mended back into one staff at the end of the world.
Israel was never by blood but by divine intervention...Isaac was only possible by a heaven sent egg as Sarah's bloodline withered out...just as His Seed was sent later to mortal egg...

Jacob was renamed Israel and not by "human hands"...but again "heaven sent" thus Israel was always Spiritual and not by blood...as even those Egyptians at Sinai who followed Him into the desert were adopted into the family...and by faith...

This marriage at Sinai was indeed "until death do us part"...which finally occurred "in the flesh" when joos had their Husband killed at Golgotha...and were freed to marry yet another...a closure to their adultery as foreshadowed by their centuries of idolatry...worshiping other gods...and worshiping Him with false worship...

Israel now is as it was in the OT...by faith...of the obedient...as even back then any disobedience made circumcision uncircumcised...

and not by bloodlines...genealogies...joo or greek...but "that whosoever believeth shall inherit"...

Monogamy has produced the best societies in history, and every biblical example is clearly there to reinforce The Way, certainly not to contradict it.

yes yes...indeed The Way is about being MORE like and not less than as He walked and talked...searching for His Bride...having resurrected He still seeks her...His taste in women not having changed...namely obedient to Him His ways...

Just as the serpent on the pole reinforced that there is no proper use of idols to humanity.

Well...Paul did "properly use" the Greek idol to the unknown god at Mars Hill for a powerful sermon...involving idolatry ironically

Acts 17: 22Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24“God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
32And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33So Paul departed from among them. 34However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

Please note how Paul continued the call of the Bridegroom from Sinai when this ekklesia was in the wilderness...here Paul insists "Therefore since WE are the offspring of God"...and not just those by the blood of Jacob...and He will judge the world...and not just da joo...

for He is indeed not far from each of us...greek or joo...especially those that say "I do"...and do...

halleluYah!



Aside from the points already brought up on that, btw, also consider how the cure to a snake bite is an anti-venom derived from the venom of the snake itself and you can apply that here as well as to many examples of evil. (May need to note that the reason for the snake on the pole was to cure those who had been bitten by the feiry serpents released on rebellious Israel). Also think of how the offspring of the serpent were to bite the heel of the offspring of the children of God, thus evil comes upon us in order to produce the needed antivenom.

Interesting...

(won't get into snake venom vaccines though...lol)
 
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